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Refurbished Laptop: Is the Key still good?

  1. #11


    Posts : 879
    Windows 10


    How to view UEFI firmware (BIOS) embedded Windows 8 product key.

    - Open an elevated command prompt and type:

    Code:
    powershell "(Get-WmiObject -query ‘select * from SoftwareLicensingService’).OA3xOriginalProductKey"
    How to clean install Windows 8.1 if you have an OEM computer with UEFI firmware (BIOS) embedded Windows 8 product key?

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  2. #12


    Posts : 5
    Windows 8 64bit


    Right, after following some instructions, I was able to create a bootable device to load/activate windows 8.1 using my OEM key. Thanks for all your help.
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  3. #13


    Posts : 5,592
    ME, XP,Vista,Win7,Win8,Win8.1


    http://download.microsoft.com/downlo.../Reimaging.pdf

    OEM Specific Information
    Organizations do not have the right to reimage by using OEM media.
    An OEM image can only be preloaded on a PC by the OEM during manufacturing. An image can be individually recovered by the organization (or a service provider it chooses) by using the recovery media. The OEM recovery media should match the product
    As with all OEM manufacturer's PC to do a clean install, you use the OEM recovery media.

    To do a custom clean install on OEM manufacturer's PC, as you would do on self-build you need to buy a Product Key.

    The only legal download:
    Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 ISO - Download or Create
    You will need to buy a Product Key to download.

    Using a Retail Windows DVD on an OEM manufacturer's PC to install the OS, without a Retail Product key is technically speaking Counterfeiting.
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  4. #14


    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts : 6,490
    Windows 10 Education 64 Bit


    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    http://download.microsoft.com/downlo.../Reimaging.pdf

    OEM Specific Information
    Organizations do not have the right to reimage by using OEM media.
    An OEM image can only be preloaded on a PC by the OEM during manufacturing. An image can be individually recovered by the organization (or a service provider it chooses) by using the recovery media. The OEM recovery media should match the product
    As with all OEM manufacturer's PC to do a clean install, you use the OEM recovery media.

    To do a custom clean install on OEM manufacturer's PC, as you would do on self-build you need to buy a Product Key.

    The only legal download:
    Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 ISO - Download or Create
    You will need to buy a Product Key to download.

    Using a Retail Windows DVD on an OEM manufacturer's PC to install the OS, without a Retail Product key is technically speaking Counterfeiting.
    Um, the PDF you liked to deals with Volume Licensing media and reimaging, how is that relevant to this situation? Totally irrelevant if you ask me.

    Ask your self this. If this was illegal and Microsoft didn't want you doing it, then why does the official Microsoft Install media read and use the embedded OEM keys? It's not an accident. Also, as near as I can tell there is no separate OEM and Retail install media. TechNet and MSDN list only the one ISO an it will accept OEM and Retail keys. I've verified it myself. If you buy OEM you get an OEM key, if you buy Retail you get a Retail key. The key entered and activated with sets the license. OEM versions of 8.0 and 8.1 activate online just like the retail versions do. Your not cheating anything.
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  5. #15


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    ME, XP,Vista,Win7,Win8,Win8.1


    OEM manufacturer's Product key are Volume License.

    How to Tell ? Hardware

    Reinstallation or recovery media

    Reinstallation media, sometimes called a recovery disc, is typically included with a new or used PC purchase. Because the software is already preinstalled, the reinstallation or recovery media is provided so that you can reinstall or recover the software if it stops working properly. Recovery discs are not licensed to be sold separately from the PC they were shipped with; if you try to install software from a recovery disc on a PC other than the one it was originally shipped on, you may not be able to activate and/or use it.

    Note: For some PCs, the recovery media might be installed on a separate partition on the PC’s hard drive itself. Refer to the documentation that came with your PC to find the appropriate reinstallation/recovery solution.
    How to determine if you have Genuine Microsoft Windows 8/8.1

    Licensed Microsoft Windows 8/8.1 systems:

    A properly licensed Windows 8/8.1 system has a Genuine Microsoft Label (GML). Windows 8 systems do not have a Certificate of Authenticity (COA) label.

    This includes Windows 8/8.1 Pro systems that have been downgraded to Windows 7.

    The GML can be found on the system, under the battery, or on the power adapter of the system.
    Microsoft Reimaging Rights:

    Customers who purchase OEM licensed versions of Windows may only restore the original factory preload using the Recovery Media provided by the OEM. Customers do not have any rights to create a custom image from the OEM preload and then deploy that image on OEM licensed systems. Customers can customize the preload on a particular system by adding or removing software, as they choose, but that the customized image may not be used on any other system (each system would have to be customized individually). Customers who wish to purchase OEM systems, with a custom image, may do so provided that they are purchasing 25 or more systems over a 12-month period. These systems would be custom models and not generally available in the market.
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  6. #16


    Posts : 2,627
    win8.1.1 enterprise


    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    OEM manufacturer's Product key are Volume License.

    How to Tell ? Hardware

    Reinstallation or recovery media

    Reinstallation media, sometimes called a recovery disc, is typically included with a new or used PC purchase. Because the software is already preinstalled, the reinstallation or recovery media is provided so that you can reinstall or recover the software if it stops working properly. Recovery discs are not licensed to be sold separately from the PC they were shipped with; if you try to install software from a recovery disc on a PC other than the one it was originally shipped on, you may not be able to activate and/or use it.

    Note: For some PCs, the recovery media might be installed on a separate partition on the PC’s hard drive itself. Refer to the documentation that came with your PC to find the appropriate reinstallation/recovery solution.
    How to determine if you have Genuine Microsoft Windows 8/8.1

    Licensed Microsoft Windows 8/8.1 systems:

    A properly licensed Windows 8/8.1 system has a Genuine Microsoft Label (GML). Windows 8 systems do not have a Certificate of Authenticity (COA) label.

    This includes Windows 8/8.1 Pro systems that have been downgraded to Windows 7.

    The GML can be found on the system, under the battery, or on the power adapter of the system.
    Microsoft Reimaging Rights:

    Customers who purchase OEM licensed versions of Windows may only restore the original factory preload using the Recovery Media provided by the OEM. Customers do not have any rights to create a custom image from the OEM preload and then deploy that image on OEM licensed systems. Customers can customize the preload on a particular system by adding or removing software, as they choose, but that the customized image may not be used on any other system (each system would have to be customized individually). Customers who wish to purchase OEM systems, with a custom image, may do so provided that they are purchasing 25 or more systems over a 12-month period. These systems would be custom models and not generally available in the market.
    all that is correct of course ,bottom line is the key will work ,so if Microsoft doesn't want it to ,then they should make it so the retail iso doesn't work with a oem key .i say no harm no foul
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  7. #17


    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts : 6,490
    Windows 10 Education 64 Bit


    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    OEM manufacturer's Product key are Volume License.

    How to Tell ? Hardware

    Reinstallation or recovery media

    Reinstallation media, sometimes called a recovery disc, is typically included with a new or used PC purchase. Because the software is already preinstalled, the reinstallation or recovery media is provided so that you can reinstall or recover the software if it stops working properly. Recovery discs are not licensed to be sold separately from the PC they were shipped with; if you try to install software from a recovery disc on a PC other than the one it was originally shipped on, you may not be able to activate and/or use it.

    Note: For some PCs, the recovery media might be installed on a separate partition on the PC’s hard drive itself. Refer to the documentation that came with your PC to find the appropriate reinstallation/recovery solution.
    How to determine if you have Genuine Microsoft Windows 8/8.1

    Licensed Microsoft Windows 8/8.1 systems:

    A properly licensed Windows 8/8.1 system has a Genuine Microsoft Label (GML). Windows 8 systems do not have a Certificate of Authenticity (COA) label.

    This includes Windows 8/8.1 Pro systems that have been downgraded to Windows 7.

    The GML can be found on the system, under the battery, or on the power adapter of the system.
    Microsoft Reimaging Rights:

    Customers who purchase OEM licensed versions of Windows may only restore the original factory preload using the Recovery Media provided by the OEM. Customers do not have any rights to create a custom image from the OEM preload and then deploy that image on OEM licensed systems. Customers can customize the preload on a particular system by adding or removing software, as they choose, but that the customized image may not be used on any other system (each system would have to be customized individually). Customers who wish to purchase OEM systems, with a custom image, may do so provided that they are purchasing 25 or more systems over a 12-month period. These systems would be custom models and not generally available in the market.
    PC's that have a Windows 8.0 or 8.1 embedded BIOS product key each have a unique key. They do not use a common VL key like in the past.

    As far as I know the OP is not reimaging with recovery media. He is wanting to do a clean install with off of the shelf Windows 8.1 install media. Why do you keep going on about reimaging and recovery media. It's a totally different process. The OP is not modifying the original factory recovery image or attempting to use another image from another PC. He wants to do a clean install.
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  8. #18


    Posts : 2
    win7 / 8.1


    You pay for the license, not the media. It is up to the oem's to decide whether they supply media or not.
    The Product Key in the bios is called OEM-DM. It is a unique key in the MSDM table tied to the device.
    It is NOT volume. Every table has a unique key & unique hardware hash. These are also stored on MS servers.

    Search for "Windows 8.1 Default Product Keys to be used with OEM Activation 3.0".
    You can not activate with these keys - they are for installation only.
    If you use the correct key for your edition, Windows will automatically retrieve & use the OEM-DM key.

    You will see mention of OEM-DM by using slmgr (from admin command prompt): slmgr /dli
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  9. #19


    Hafnarfjörđur IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi Guys

    Just because something works doesn't make it LEGAL (or ILLEGAL) depending on what it is.
    OK Ms look like they've hosed up their activation stuff or simply that it's easier to do it this way and they don't realize that there's all sorts of "experts" !! out there who love trying these sorts of things out !!!.

    The EULA is quite clear -- the OEM version is only allowed to be used on THAT computer -- the fact that it *apparently* can be made to work on another machine doesn't "Legalize" the license.

    A Retail key can be used on different machines -- you will probably need to activate by phone. There actually isn't anything wrong in creating the OEM's ISO and then using your RETAIL key to install it on that or any other machine - but if you've paid for a retail key why would you want the OEM ISO !!! in the first place.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  10. #20


    Posts : 2
    win7 / 8.1


    @Jimbo45. No one is talking about using a product key from 1 system to another.
    The notebook has a key in the bios. This makes it licensed & legit. No issue at all...
    If it has 8/8.1 Pro, then it also has downgrade rights for win7 pro...
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