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Factory OS vs clean install

  1. #1


    Canada
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    Windows 8.1 Pro x64

    Factory OS vs clean install


    Hi all... I will be getting a new laptop soon and want it to run as fast as possible. Do you guys recommend doing a clean install with a Win8.1 retail disk or just using the out-of-box factory OS? Since it is a touchscreen laptop, do you think there will be any problems with the touchscreen on a non-factory installed OS? The one i'm looking at is a HP, if it matters. (This one: HP TouchSmart 15.6" Laptop - Black (AMD A8 4555M/1TB HDD/8GB RAM/Windows 8.1) : Laptops - Best Buy Canada)

    Is there that much of a difference in start up times / general speed in a clean retail installed system vs a HP factory installed system? (That has of course been de-bloatware-ified and fast startup switched off)

    If I choose to stick with the factory install, what procedures would you guys recommend to remove all the HP bloatware? Is stuff like HP CoolSense / 3D Driveguard any use or just bloat?

    And if I choose to go clean install via retail disk, what are the procedures to use the 8.1 key that comes with the laptop instead of the key that comes with the disk? That way I can save the key that comes with the disk for later.

    Normally I would go clean retail install no questions asked but the dillema here is
    1) The touchscreen. I'm not sure if a clean retail install would affect the special touchscreen drivers or not, and I don't see any special drivers on HPs website for the touchscreen, which is where my worry comes from.
    2) The fact that there are no official Microsoft download links for the full Win8.1 ISO that I know of. With Windows 7 there was the digital river links but there aren't any like that for Win8.1. If I want a fully clean Win8.1 image that isn't from torrents/other rogue internet sources I need to buy the disk, which i'm prepared to do if a clean install is viable, but it's not as easy as downloading the ISO direct from MS.

    Thanks

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  2. #2


    Posts : 2,191
    Windows 8.1


    Hi gozoboy99,

    My advice:

    1. First and foremost, make your factory recovery DVD set. That way, you can always revert if needed.

    2. Next, try removing the bloatware and see how it runs. If OK, you might want to stay with it "as-is."

    3. However, if not, go for the clean install. Now, at least you have a way back (see 1.).


    Good luck with your decision.

    my2cents
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  3. #3


    Posts : 1,875
    Windows 10 Pro Prieview x64


    Don't panic about "bloatware". You may find excess programs slow your start-up (why you would turn off fast start-up is beyond me) but once this is past it will not impact on you unless they are written very badly.

    Having extra programs doesn't mean your PC will be slower. If they are not used they will be paged out or just not used. You can install 1000 programs and it will not make a difference if they are not invoked. If you don't like a program then un-install it (if that is a word).

    If you don't want it to start automatically at boot time then remove it from your startup (Autoruns for Windows)

    If however you like the idea of clean install you can download the ISO Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 ISO - Download or Create and then install all the drivers you may need which is normally fairly painless. Don't imagine that your PC will then run faster because it probably will not.

    Follow My2Cents advice first though.
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  4. #4


    Posts : 835
    Win 8.1 Pro


    Also keep in mind that Windows 7 and Windows 8.x will have a period of time to break in (background processes running/configuring)
    So the system will seem at time a bit sluggish. Give it at minimum 3 days to sort itself out.
    Windows 8 is better about it than 7, but it still does it on a new OS install of any kind.
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  5. #5


    Canada
    Posts : 20
    Windows 8.1 Pro x64


    Quote Originally Posted by my2cents View Post
    Hi gozoboy99,

    My advice:

    1. First and foremost, make your factory recovery DVD set. That way, you can always revert if needed.

    2. Next, try removing the bloatware and see how it runs. If OK, you might want to stay with it "as-is."

    3. However, if not, go for the clean install. Now, at least you have a way back (see 1.).


    Good luck with your decision.

    my2cents
    Sounds good... I'll probably do it like that. Thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by adamf View Post
    Don't panic about "bloatware". You may find excess programs slow your start-up (why you would turn off fast start-up is beyond me) but once this is past it will not impact on you unless they are written very badly.

    Having extra programs doesn't mean your PC will be slower. If they are not used they will be paged out or just not used. You can install 1000 programs and it will not make a difference if they are not invoked. If you don't like a program then un-install it (if that is a word).

    If you don't want it to start automatically at boot time then remove it from your startup (Autoruns for Windows)

    If however you like the idea of clean install you can download the ISO Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 ISO - Download or Create and then install all the drivers you may need which is normally fairly painless. Don't imagine that your PC will then run faster because it probably will not.

    Follow My2Cents advice first though.
    OK Thanks, sounds like having a factory install isn't as "slow" as people make it out to be, just works out to be the same as a clean install once you de-bloatify it and remove the startup items. I was gonna turn Fast Startup off because I heard it had issues with the computer ending up in reboot loops because of a corrupted hyberfile.sys file ? Is that true or should Fast Startup be OK?
    Quote Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
    Also keep in mind that Windows 7 and Windows 8.x will have a period of time to break in (background processes running/configuring)
    So the system will seem at time a bit sluggish. Give it at minimum 3 days to sort itself out.
    Windows 8 is better about it than 7, but it still does it on a new OS install of any kind.
    Good insight... Thanks. My only pending question now is the one about Fast Startup, which is posted above.
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  6. #6


    Posts : 2,191
    Windows 8.1


    My only pending question now is the one about Fast Startup
    I have been involved with several threads where the OPs have reported that turning off fast startup fixed their specific issues; however, that does not mean that fast startup should be turned off for all. Moreover, since it is such a simple option to turn on or off, why not try it both ways and see how you like each? For the record, I have done just that and my preference is to disable fast startup. Why?... because I had a very small SSD and that 6GBs of free space (returned when also I deleted the hiberfil.sys) was precious at that time. I also noticed that it didn't add that much speed to my boot time either. Specifically, it only boosted mine by about 2-3 seconds. Good luck with your decision.

    my2cents
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  7. #7


    Canada
    Posts : 20
    Windows 8.1 Pro x64


    Quote Originally Posted by my2cents View Post
    My only pending question now is the one about Fast Startup
    I have been involved with several threads where the OPs have reported that turning off fast startup fixed their specific issues; however, that does not mean that fast startup should be turned off for all. Moreover, since it is such a simple option to turn on or off, why not try it both ways and see how you like each? For the record, I have done just that and my preference is to disable fast startup. Why?... because I had a very small SSD and that 6GBs of free space (returned when also I deleted the hiberfil.sys) was precious at that time. I also noticed that it didn't add that much speed to my boot time either. Specifically, it only boosted mine by about 2-3 seconds. Good luck with your decision.

    my2cents
    Ah yeah. I bet it would be faster/more space-friendly on a 1TB HDD. My current laptop has an SSD in it so I have Fast Startup off for the same reasons you do. But i'm gonna keep using this laptop so I won't transfer the SSD into my new one.

    Thanks
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  8. #8


    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts : 6,490
    Windows 10 Education 64 Bit


    If you use fast startup your PC doesn't fully shut down. It goes into a hybrid sleep mode. That may actually slowly drain your laptops battery. I say may because I haven't confirmed it myself, just something to keep in mind and have a look at if you decide to use it. The other issue it can cause is access to the BIOS on boot up. I've seen many threads where users could not get into the BIOS on boot up with fast startup enabled. I have an SSD in my laptop and don't use fast startup, I don't see the benefit.

    When you get it and log in the first time "do not connect to the internet". If you do all the factory installed Metro Apps will be forever tied to your Microsoft live ID and be shown in the "Your Apps" section of the Windows Store. You might even ant to log in with a local account the first time. Then un install any apps you know you will never use before logging in with your live ID. My "Your Apps" section is littered with all the bloat Apps ASUS pre installed on my laptop.
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  9. #9


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    Posts : 10,488
    Windows 8.1.1 Pro with Media Center

    Off Topic


    Quote Originally Posted by adamf View Post
    If you don't like a program then un-install it (if that is a word).
    I use Wordweb.
    Free & easy to use pinned to taskbar.

    WordWeb: English dictionary, thesaurus, and word finder software.

    Click image for larger version

    This is off topic but I thought some might find it useful.
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  10. #10


    Canada
    Posts : 20
    Windows 8.1 Pro x64


    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    If you use fast startup your PC doesn't fully shut down. It goes into a hybrid sleep mode. That may actually slowly drain your laptops battery. I say may because I haven't confirmed it myself, just something to keep in mind and have a look at if you decide to use it. The other issue it can cause is access to the BIOS on boot up. I've seen many threads where users could not get into the BIOS on boot up with fast startup enabled. I have an SSD in my laptop and don't use fast startup, I don't see the benefit.

    When you get it and log in the first time "do not connect to the internet". If you do all the factory installed Metro Apps will be forever tied to your Microsoft live ID and be shown in the "Your Apps" section of the Windows Store. You might even ant to log in with a local account the first time. Then un install any apps you know you will never use before logging in with your live ID. My "Your Apps" section is littered with all the bloat Apps ASUS pre installed on my laptop.
    Thanks for that advice. Really helps. I'll do that. As for the slow-drain battery, I wouldn't be inclined to agree with you as the fast startup switches the hardware fully off. At least how I understand it, how it works is it closes all your applications and saves the system "shell" to the hyberfile.sys file, sort of a hybrid between hibernation and full shutdown. It then fully switches off the hardware like in hibernate. Meaning you could take the battery out of the laptop and it would boot from the hyberfile.sys like normal. I'll probably use the suggestion of trying with it on first, then if I run into issues switch it off.
    Quote Originally Posted by David Bailey View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by adamf View Post
    If you don't like a program then un-install it (if that is a word).
    I use Wordweb.
    Free & easy to use pinned to taskbar.

    WordWeb: English dictionary, thesaurus, and word finder software.

    Click image for larger version

    This is off topic but I thought some might find it useful.
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