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    Changes to an OEM PC...


    I have a new HP desktop with OEM installed W8.1, with secure boot enabled, that's getting on my nerves. For some reason it is slow to start; the measured restart time is almost two minutes, 113 seconds. That would be ok, but it does the same when the screensaver deactivated. The screensaver is replaced by the spinning circle and "Please wait..." text for almost two minutes. Yes, most of the OEM crap had been removed, but it still does the same. Prior to nuking this system couple of questions.

    The disk layout is GPT:

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    Full disk image was created using Macrium's latest version of Reflect.

    Can this image be actually restored on the same, or different same size drive? It would be nice to know, before it's nuked.

    Since the "C" drive has the boot partition, could it be imaged and restored on a different drive without the other partitions?

    My preferred way is clean install of W8.1, based on using the OEM product key method. The media and product keys are on hand. The secure boot can be disabled in the BIOS, but there's no option for changing the disk layout.

    Should the secure boot be disabled, does it provide any useful function? Other than the additional overhead at boot time, I don't see much use for this feature.

    If the current disk wiped by W8.1 installation, what will be the partition type? Will it remain GPT, or Windows change it to MBR partition schema? In my view, GPT is overkill for desktops, but it really doesn't matter for most end users.
    TIA...

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    Posts : 1,121
    Windows 8.1 x64


    Don't let yourself believe the UEFI bios and configuration or Secure Boot is the cause of the slow startup times.

    You need to find the culprit using Task Manager to look for something taking the time. You might be able to disable certain items during start and allow the system to boot normally. Any number of things can cause delays at boot, such a driver needing special attention, a storage device needing to be set up, some type of network traffic, or several other things.

    Has it always done this or just started?
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    This PC, about a month old 3.2GHz CPU and 8GB memory, has been doing this from the beginning. The actual performance is pretty good, once the user is logged in to the desktop. That's not the issue. The painful slowness shows up at boot, at the time the screensaver deactivated, the user logs off, or trying to switch user. Almost two minutes wait time for each of these is painful...


    There are couple of errors in the logs, volmgr EID 46 and DCOM EID 10010, but other than that the event viewer is clean. These errors only show up at start up time, not at the times when users switches, or the screensaver deactivated.

    Instead of trying to find why this system start up is so slow, I'd rather spend the time on a clean install. I'd careless, if the partition table stays GPT, or the secure boot is active. I don't think they are necessary for a desktop, but whatever...
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    Posts : 2,191
    Windows 8.1


    The media and product keys are on hand.
    I'd rather spend the time on a clean install.
    Make a system image for recovery and/or create/save/use your factory recovery media (if needed) and follow this procedure:

    Clean Install - Windows 8
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    Posts : 1,121
    Windows 8.1 x64


    Ok, you can of course do whatever you want. You can try turning Secure Boot off by enabling the CSM in the Bios. In may situations, the Secure Boot option is used to determine whether UEFI or Legacy boot devices are allowed. In order to boot to a Windows 7 install DVD, you have to turn off secure boot, but you can still install as UEFI.

    The EFI partition is essential for a UEFI install since the boot files are there along with the firmware.

    The errors in the Event Viewer are informative. The DCOM one I see all the time and does center just around starts and the system making some network connection.

    The Volume Manager error is something you might need to explore. Can you copy and include the entire message in your next post? I did find the link below, but not sure how it might relate to your situation.

    Event ID 46 logged when you start a computer
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  6. #6


    Quote Originally Posted by my2cents View Post
    The media and product keys are on hand.
    I'd rather spend the time on a clean install.
    Make a system image for recovery and/or create/save/use your factory recovery media (if needed) and follow this procedure:

    Clean Install - Windows 8
    The drive had been imaged with Macrium, just don't know, if the image can be restored or not.

    I am ok with the installation process, even with this one:

    UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface) - Install Windows 8 with

    The thing is that the current partitions will be removed from the drive. Since there will be no changes to the HP BIOS, EUFI and secure boot enabled, will Windows reformat the drive based on GPT partition schema?
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  7. #7


    Quote Originally Posted by Saltgrass View Post
    The Volume Manager error is something you might need to explore. Can you copy and include the entire message in your next post? I did find the link below, but not sure how it might relate to your situation.

    Event ID 46 logged when you start a computer
    Actually, EID 46 is related to disabling the page file that I do routinely with 8GB memory; the error message is:

    Crash dump initialization failed!
    Re-enabling the page file got rid of that error, but didn't change the two minute delays. Based on the event log's time stamp, Windows is actually starting up pretty fast, 16 seconds, with no errors:

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    While there were applications added, 4-5 of them, the system behaved the same way out of the box without application. Hence the reason suspecting that one or more odd ball HP programs and/or OEM junk wants to start prior to getting to the logon screen and keeps trying until it times out. Yes, process explorer and/or Wireshark could be used to verify if that's the case, but it would take time. Come to think of it, reinstalling everything may take the same time...
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    Posts : 2,191
    Windows 8.1


    Windows is actually starting up pretty fast, 16 seconds, with no errors:
    Windows generates a log on each cold boot and shutdown with associated times to complete same.

    Mine shows 22 seconds. My visual boot time to desktop is 7-10 seconds.

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    So, what is your new objective? I thought you were ready to do a clean install?
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    My objective is get rid of the close to two minutes delay, at start up, disabling screensaver, and when logoff/switch user selected. I just didn't want to touch the OEM partitions without knowing, if it can be restored from the backup image. As such, I am going to get a one TB drive and mess with that one, instead of the one the desktop came with.

    BTW... I did use Wireshark, but there wasn't any connectivity attempt to the internet or anywhere during the two minutes pause. Just the standard broadcast traffic...
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  10. #10


    Posts : 2,191
    Windows 8.1


    I just didn't want to touch the OEM partitions without knowing, if it can be restored from the backup image.
    Yes it can (if you include all partitions in you backup image). I use Macrium to restore a System Image to my test rig on a routine basis and I have done that successfully a few hundred times.

    Good luck to you.
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