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  1. #11


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    Windows 8.1 x64


    There is also a Startup Tab on Task Manager. It may not be seeing what is causing the delay, but you might check it. It does list certain startup items and how much impact they have.

    If what you are seeing is after the boot, it might be something else.

    Make sure you let it boot a couple of times after you re-establish the page file. The link states it has to reconfigure before it can boot normally.

    If you had moved your user profiles, I might think that could be involved.

    Is the delay the same for a cold boot and restart boot?

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  2. #12


    Germany/Florida
    Posts : 4,514
    Vista and Win7


    Eaiest would be to get a 240GB SSD for $130 and move all partitions over. I am sure the data will fit. That will give you 20 sec +/- boot times and a system that is a lot snappier.

    If you get an SSD, don't forget the Sata cable. That costs pennies. You probably have an extra power wire in the box.
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  3. #13


    Quote Originally Posted by my2cents View Post
    Yes it can (if you include all partitions in you backup image). I use Macrium to restore a System Image to my test rig on a routine basis and I have done that successfully a few hundred times.

    Good luck to you.
    I did use Macrium on a number occasions with W7 and MBR partition, just not with GPT partition with W8. Reflect worked flawlessly all the times...
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  4. #14


    Quote Originally Posted by Saltgrass View Post
    There is also a Startup Tab on Task Manager. It may not be seeing what is causing the delay, but you might check it. It does list certain startup items and how much impact they have.

    If what you are seeing is after the boot, it might be something else.

    Make sure you let it boot a couple of times after you re-establish the page file. The link states it has to reconfigure before it can boot normally.

    If you had moved your user profiles, I might think that could be involved.

    Is the delay the same for a cold boot and restart boot?
    The startup had been trimmed to basic necessities, but it made no difference:

    Click image for larger version

    There was no profiles moved to this system, UIDs created for the end users. The delay is the same with cold/warm boot, that I could live with. The actual issue is that the same delay shows up when the screensaver is deactivated, logging out, or switching users. And that's not acceptable, especially when the screensaver locks the desktop as it should.

    Actually, I've just tested manually locking the desktop. It does have the same delay, before it can be unlocked. Weird isn't the right word for this kind of behavior...
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  5. #15


    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Eaiest would be to get a 240GB SSD for $130 and move all partitions over. I am sure the data will fit. That will give you 20 sec +/- boot times and a system that is a lot snappier.

    If you get an SSD, don't forget the Sata cable. That costs pennies. You probably have an extra power wire in the box.
    And I'd do that in heartbeat, if I know that it would resolve the issue. Unfortunately, it isn't only the boot time that is the issue. Simply unlocking the desktop after the screensaver kicked in has the same delay.

    But you did give me an idea. Just get the referenced SDD, instead of the planned one TB HDD, clean install W8.1 and programs on the SSD, and use the current one TB HDD for storage. It's going to be a mess with license activations, but it is an option, if the current system cannot be fixed.
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  6. #16


    Germany/Florida
    Posts : 4,514
    Vista and Win7


    There is no activation problem if you transfer the OS from the spinner to the SSD. Here is how. The easiest is to use the Paragon Migration Tool for $19.95. That does the job in 3 clicks including the alignment and everything.
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  7. #17


    Posts : 1,121
    Windows 8.1 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by Cr00zng View Post
    There was no profiles moved to this system, UIDs created for the end users. The delay is the same with cold/warm boot, that I could live with. The actual issue is that the same delay shows up when the screensaver is deactivated, logging out, or switching users. And that's not acceptable, especially when the screensaver locks the desktop as it should.

    Actually, I've just tested manually locking the desktop. It does have the same delay, before it can be unlocked. Weird isn't the right word for this kind of behavior...
    I have been trying to think of something that might be common for each of the situations you describe as having a delay. But I keep coming back to something related to the user accounts.

    I have no idea why a screen saver deactivation would cause a long delay. Do you have it set to ask for a password on resume? Does the system have any special log on possibilities, like a thumb scanner or smart card reader?

    If you want to look at the situation in more detail, you can get a utility called Process Monitor from System Internals. It will keep a log of what the system is doing, and a two minute period should be easy to spot. This is a Microsoft branch so I trust the software. I have run it for some time, so if you needed help, it would be available. Just Download the utility, right click and look at the properties of the downloaded file and select unblock. After you unzip you can start the program as Admin and let it run while you disable the screen saver and after the delay, stop it from logging and check the log.

    They also have a program called Autoruns which watches the boot and will allow you to disable specific startup items, if that were necessary.
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  8. #18


    Posts : 3
    8.1, 7 Ultimate, Vista HP


    I realize that you said this is a new computer, however, have you ran a HDD test? I work on PC's daily and the number of HDD failures is really high. It seams as if more new PC's have bad HDD than old. Most of the HDD faulures i see are Linear Read fails. You should be able to use a HDD test from the HDD manufacture or you could use Seatools which will test any HDD. I would definately start there before reloading the OS.
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  9. #19


    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    There is no activation problem if you transfer the OS from the spinner to the SSD. Here is how. The easiest is to use the Paragon Migration Tool for $19.95. That does the job in 3 clicks including the alignment and everything.
    I had transferred W7 from HDD to SSD previously and there was no need to make adjustment to the alignment. After the transfer was completed, the AS SSD Benchmark showed "1024 K - OK". Maybe Windows 7, 8, etc., by default utilizes the SSD alignment for partitioning the drive regardless of the type, and/or Windows realigns the boot record when SSD is detected. My guess would be that MS uses a single partition routine at the time of installation and the partition is aligned for SSD. At least that seems logical...

    In this case, the chances are that transferring the current OS to SSD would not fix the issue. The problem isn't just at boot time, warm or cold; the issue is there when the desktop is locked manually and/or by the screensaver. It takes about two minutes for the locked screen to come up, after the "Windows Key + L" locks it. Even if this SSD used:

    Mushkin Enhanced Chronos MKNSSDCR240GB-7 2.5" 240GB SATA III 7mm Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) - Newegg.com

    Interesting name for this SSD, Chronos, the Greek god of time...
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  10. #20


    Quote Originally Posted by Saltgrass View Post
    I have been trying to think of something that might be common for each of the situations you describe as having a delay. But I keep coming back to something related to the user accounts.

    I have no idea why a screen saver deactivation would cause a long delay. Do you have it set to ask for a password on resume? Does the system have any special log on possibilities, like a thumb scanner or smart card reader?

    If you want to look at the situation in more detail, you can get a utility called Process Monitor from System Internals. It will keep a log of what the system is doing, and a two minute period should be easy to spot. This is a Microsoft branch so I trust the software. I have run it for some time, so if you needed help, it would be available. Just Download the utility, right click and look at the properties of the downloaded file and select unblock. After you unzip you can start the program as Admin and let it run while you disable the screen saver and after the delay, stop it from logging and check the log.

    They also have a program called Autoruns which watches the boot and will allow you to disable specific startup items, if that were necessary.
    You were on the right track, actually, you nailed it. A big thanks Saltgrass!!!

    After uninstalling HP Smart Path, there's no more delays. This program did not show up as service, in the start up folders, etc.: however, it evidently modified Windows log on process by inserting its routine for authenticating the user. The program was left in the system, in case the end user gets a keyboard with fingerprint reader.

    Live and learn... evidently from Saltgrass and I don't mind.

    Thanks again Saltgrass!!!
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