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What are the effects of bad sectors on installations

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    Thanks for the replies all. The truth is, I don't know what the problem is. I'm suspicious, but I don't know the cause of all the problems. If there were errors, the regular Windows check didn't find it (the new Windows 8 error checking tool), and I don't know if chkdsk has found anything because I can't get into the event log. Like I said though, it's a new hard drive that I just bought last year. Can it corrupt that quickly?

    What I also know is that a ton of other people have had the same problems as me. I was just looking on the Microsoft forum today, and many other people have recently posted with the exact same complaints concerning Windows Update and crashes. So it could be a Windows Update thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bkshiroma View Post
    So it could be a Windows Update thing.
    No.

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterChief View Post
    The updates aren't the issue (Windows ones I mean - device drivers are a possibility). The state of the system while doing the updates is.

    Poor drivers/poor antivirus/missing drivers - any of the above sets a system off.
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    I appreciate your defense of Windows, but there was no antivirus program on my computer the final time I installed the updates aside from Windows defender. No firewall either. For that matter, I had installed no other programs. And the only drivers I had installed were the chipset drivers and the printer drivers, all straight from their source and up to date. I had no problems until I tried to update.

    In the second to last crash, everything was working perfectly for a few days. I had my suspicions by then about Windows update, and was holding off on installing them. When I did, BSOD and everything went to hell.

    Don't know what else I can say.

    By the way, speaking of viruses, shouldn't refreshes, and installations, and for that matter the quick format the installation uses get rid of any potential viruses that may have crept on the disk? (I'm pretty sure I didn't have any, though."
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    It's not "defense of Windows" but rather it's the results and observations of 10s of thousands of machines fixed online over the years, mostly in regards to stop errors.

    If Windows Updates causes an issue on a machine, that machine was not well to begin with. (WU installing a poor driver, aside.)

    If you have a bsod issue, you're welcome to see the BSOD subforum and post there, where we will straighten the machine out easily.
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  5. #15


    Thank you, but no thank you. I've had enough BSODs in the last month caused by Windows update. If I get another somehow, someway, I'll definitely make my way there. But I've invited enough trouble into my computer through updates after five installs, refreshes, etc. I have no desire to update windows, have it crash (and it will crash) and then go to the board trying to find out the exact problem. I simply don't have the time or the desire to go through this anymore.

    Who knows, it really might be a hard drive problem. If so, I'm sure that will be made clear over the next year.

    Of course if you would like to come down to Japan (at your expense of course ) work on my machine and prove me wrong that it isn't a Windows Update problem, by all means, please do.

    Like I said, I appreciate all the comments. Please don't get me wrong if my frustrations seem to bubble out at times. It's not at you or anyone else who I know is only trying to be helpful. It's more at the situation and the lost hours and literally days I've spent trying to sort out all these problems.

    Thanks for all your help Master Chief, and everyone else. By the way, if anyone else has any other ideas or thoughts, I'm all ears.
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    By the way, Master Chief, is it possible to do a quick format of a drive (as done by the installation disk), install Windows from the disk, and still have problems with poor or missing drivers that would cause Windows Update to misfire? If so, what drivers exactly should I be looking for?

    One other thing, since adamf pointed out that Windows shouldn't hang during installation because of bad sectors, what else could cause a hang during installation? It happened to me twice, once after I zeroed out the drive, and once just before it finally managed to install correctly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bkshiroma View Post
    Thank you, but no thank you. I've had enough BSODs in the last month caused by Windows update.
    No you didn't, heh heh.

    I don't need to go to Japan, although if I could go to any foreign country, that would probably be high on the list. All I'd need is what Brink shows to do. It's not really in your best interest to leave a Windows machine unpatched like that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bkshiroma View Post
    By the way, Master Chief, is it possible to do a quick format of a drive (as done by the installation disk), install Windows from the disk, and still have problems with poor or missing drivers that would cause Windows Update to misfire? If so, what drivers exactly should I be looking for?
    You can force a bsod on purpose, then post the logs made from the tool in the previous link I just gave. With that info, we can make the machine into 100% reliable and give it a seal of approval.

    Quick format or any type of format at all can leave malware on the drive (if it existed to begin with, of course.) If any concern that there was or is malware, Killdisk is good to use to 0 out the drive before installing Windows to it. It is very rare to come across malware with rootkit drivers that cause bsods though.

    A random example in your scenario is that ASUS machines are notorious for having old power management and USB charger drivers that are not well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bkshiroma View Post
    One other thing, since adamf pointed out that Windows shouldn't hang during installation because of bad sectors, what else could cause a hang during installation? It happened to me twice, once after I zeroed out the drive, and once just before it finally managed to install correctly.
    A few things: Poor bios settings, poor install media, some graphics adapters under certain situations, certain mice....quite a few things, as random examples.

    If we determine that there actually is a hard drive issue, there are tools and ways to even fix that.
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  8. #18


    So let me get this straight, if I force a BSOD using the keyboard and send the logs, you can find the problems that causes Windows update. You will then guarantee the next time I try to install Windows update that I will have no problems?

    By the way, one of the problems with Windows update even after the repairs it attempts, is that it suddenly takes 5-20 minutes to load, after which it may or may not run smoothly. And that's assuming I'm not thrown into a endless repair loop that I need to use Knoppix to get out of.

    Will I have those same problems after the keyboard crash? Most importantly, is it possible I'll get thrown into an endless repair loop? Or is it a low level crash that a simple reboot will fix?

    If it's a low level crash, I'd be more open to that then generating a crash through Windows update.
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    No, keyboard crash will be fine. You can boot right to Windows after without any event.

    Yes, with crash logs, even from forcing a fake bsod, I can tell you what should be done to ensure perfect stability 100% without question in regards to software - and if there is a hardware issue, then we can determine about that and the best course of action to alleviate it.

    If you have files already in C:\Windows\Minidump then forcing the keyboard bsod is unnecessary. In that case, simply run the tool from Brink's thread and post the results.
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    All right, when I get home...not for another six or seven hours though, I'll give it a try. Here's hoping you can find the problem.

    Thanks for your help and patience again.
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