Windows 8 and 8.1 Forums


I am just finishing win 7 pro to win 8 upgrade. Why 8.1?

  1. #1

    I am just finishing win 7 pro to win 8 upgrade. Why 8.1?


    I had a LOT of programs installed in win 7 pro on my 2010 ThinkPad only to find them uninstalled when I did an in-place upgrade to win 8. Had got the upgrade disc thinking most programs would be left standing. After getting win 8 programs (desktop apps???) about 50% back installed I find out Microsoft seems to be trying to force me to upgrade to 8.1 soon.

    If I upgrade from 8 to 8.1 using the store do I lose all my programs AGAIN? Do I really have to uninstall my security suite that I just installed only to reinstall again? Are they going to force an 8.3 on me next year? I don't like tile world at all and the desktop UI is worse than 7, but the motor seems better so I'd rather not use the win 7 recovery partition. Is there anyway to not have to reinstall all my 3rd party dekstop programs again after an 8.1 upgrade?

    PS : I plan on waiting till 12-30 to upgrade if at all.

      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  2. #2


    Harrisonburg, Va.
    Posts : 10,488
    Windows 8.1.1 Pro with Media Center


    No losing of anything .

    I upgraded from 8 Pro to 8.1 Pro with my Microsoft account through the Store & lost nothing.
      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  3. #3

    Nothing??


    Do you really mean you did NOT have to reinstall ANY 3rd party desktop apps, e.g. dropbox, itunes, photoshop, etc.?

    I also want to be clear that I only use a local, non-microsoft account, for everything (desktop) I install. Will everything upgrade in-place in my situation and I mean non-microsoft desktop apps?
      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  4. #4


    Posts : 1,320
    Server 2012 / 8.0


    Hello chock.

    8.1 has been around for a while (preview version). If you would like to experience it first, and,
    if you can, (lots of ifs), if you know how, image your current system once or twice, again,
    if you have experience in this area, then try the Windows 8.1 Free Edition (Enterprise 90 day)

    Download Windows 8.1 Enterprise Evaluation

    Also, I would familiarize yourself anyway with imaging, (NOT Microsoft backup)
    so that if you want to upgrade 8 to 8.1 from the store, you could at least have a backup image of Windows 8 saved. I did the upgrade from the store and everything stayed the same. You can choose to NOT sign into a Microsoft account. All the programs on my system were still there after the upgrade, including the wallpaper. Only the start screen background changed.

    Still, I would suggest trying the 8.1 Free Evaluation first if you can. No product key required.
    You would have to be familiar with doing a clean install from a bootable ISO, however.
    Preferably, a thumb (flash) drive. Good Luck.
      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  5. #5

    Nobody seems to fully answer my question.


    Everything remains is way to general for the answer I need. So everybody's "programs" stay in place. Nobody differentiates start tile app programs from desktop 3rd party program programs. I'm only interested in the latter being preserved. I want to know of a specific 3rd party app, e.g. iTunes, that remained in place and did not have to be reinstalled. I don't care about Start Tiles apps, Microsoft Store apps or any Microsoft programs even of the desktop variety.

    I know how, and do, partition image my disk for backup/restore, but I'd rather know I won't have to use it because someone here has specifically answered my question.

    Thanks
      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  6. #6


    Posts : 1,320
    Server 2012 / 8.0


    Quote Originally Posted by chockfullof546 View Post
    I want to know of a specific 3rd party app, e.g. iTunes, that remained in place and did not have to be reinstalled. I know how, and do, partition image my disk for backup/restore, but I'd rather know I won't have to use it because someone here has specifically answered my question.
    Thanks
    All these stayed.

    Click image for larger version

    A word of caution. Windows 8.1 seems a little buggy. Just my view. It seems 8 (and IE 10) is more stable.
    IE 11 is buggy ... The zoom factoring is not stable for one thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by chockfullof546 View Post
    ... I know how, and do, partition image my disk for backup/restore, but I'd rather know I won't have to use it ...
    My view is that imaging is not a chore but a beautiful thing. I use it often, with pleasure.
    As far as Microsoft accounts are concerned, they can be closed, signed off of, or switched to a local account.
      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  7. #7


    Thanks for that list of programs. I think it gives me enough to answer my question.

    I image after major software installs or upgrades and at initial os install. I keep the last few with the initial os image and only test restore very infrequently. I view it as a very necessary chore. Feel the same about data backup and test recovery. It's even more important and more of a chore in my view.

    Thanks a lot again for your info.
      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  8. #8


    Posts : 1,320
    Server 2012 / 8.0


    You're Welcome. Good Luck.

    I get nervous when it's implied that some should use Microsoft Backup. NO! omg!
    It's how the process is configured. If done correctly, it will only take minutes (depends on system).
    If data and video are mixed in with the system, the image will be bloated.
    If the page and hibernation file are included, the image will be bloated.
    If the image must include 2 or more operating systems, the image will be bloated.

    My system images that work perfectly as restored operating systems vary from 7GB to 11GB
    and are created in about 2 minutes. It's not necessary to spend half a day making a saved system.

    Well, Best of Luck.
      My System SpecsSystem Spec

I am just finishing win 7 pro to win 8 upgrade. Why 8.1?
Related Threads
Yesterday, I clean-installed Windows 8 Pro x86 on an old Dell Vostro 1400 laptop which had been running Windows 7 Ultimate, and it activated and ran fine, without even a single exclamation point in Device Manager. I applied the update necessary to make the Store offer 8.1 and proceeded to install...
When will you upgrade to 8.1? in General Support
Just curious when you plan to upgrade? While I have a suspected bug in the way IE10 works with Win8, it is only a minor annoyance. I'm thinking of waiting until a few updates are done to fix the new bugs that I'm sure it will contain.
Hi I have windows 7 and bought windows 8 upgrade discs (still unopened), I have no SSD now but want to buy one. What should i Do install win 8 first then the SSD? Or the other way around? What's better What will my recovery options be if I get a nasty virus? Also once my ssd is in it can't fit...
Win7-Home -> Win7-Pro-Upgrade -> Win8-Pro-Upgrade -> Win8.1 Yes I had to go through that litany of upgrades to get to Win8.1 and I then installed a bunch of software on top. Then I wanted to use the Windows Hyper-V so I could get Ubuntu running also but it turns out that my Intel CPU Core 2 Duo...
This is a clean install! I've tried re-installing like 15 times but keeps getting stuck at this!, i even deleted my Ubuntu partition cause i thought it was the problem, i then tried to install Win 7 instead, when installation completed, i boot it up and it got stuck at Starting Windows. This is...
I have a Windows 7 Premium upgrade that was upgraded from Vista on my Dell Inspiron 530 PC. Can I upgrade from this to Windows 8 Pro, without having to remove Windows 7? Or will I have to go back To Vista to install the Windows 8 Pro Upgrade. If the latter is the case, can I take my PC back to...
I installed Win 8 RC Build 8400 over Win 7 on my "experimental" spare laptop. I have seen web posts that you cannot directly upgrade Win 8 RC to Win 8 RTM, without going through some special steps and modifying one of the install files. My question is is if I purchase WIN 8 Pro on Oct 26 will I...
Eight Forums Android App Eight Forums IOS App Follow us on Facebook