How to upgrade to 8.1 a non-metro capable machine?

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How would Microsoft suggest an Intel 3600/Atom 2800 user running 8.0 however incapable of running Metro apps or accessing the store update to 8.1?

Machine manufactures, Microsoft and Intel have not taken responsibility for creating video drivers capable of running Metro apps on these Intel 3600/Atom 2800 recent machines, they pass the 8.0 Windows compatibility check and were advertised by manufactures as being Windows 8.0 ready.


Having already purchased machines and Windows 8.0 we feel somewhat discriminated against, and cheated out of our investment once again, please advise?


 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Toshiba NB525
    CPU
    Atom 2800
    Motherboard
    Toshiba
    Memory
    2GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel 3650
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    IE11
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    MSE
Well no suggestions, come on guys, I thought there were some experts here?
 

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System One

  • OS
    Windows 8
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Toshiba NB525
    CPU
    Atom 2800
    Motherboard
    Toshiba
    Memory
    2GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel 3650
    Browser
    IE11
    Antivirus
    MSE
What is the reason it won't run Metro? Is it simply because of the requirement for a resolution of 1024x768 or better?

I installed Windows 8 on my netbook but had to change a registry setting in order to set the resolution high enough in order to run Metro apps. See this thread: http://www.eightforums.com/general-support/32018-win-8-netbook.html

Another possibility would be to install 8.1 from an ISO that was downloaded on another machine. See this thread: http://www.eightforums.com/installation-setup/33164-how-download-windows-8-1-iso.html
 

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Hello strollin,

Thanks for your reply, correct will not run a resolution of 1024x768 or better.

Tried the registry edit quite some time ago and will no work on this machine.

I have been trying to download the 8.1 ISO for two days, no luck it is still too busy and I keep getting a message letting me know that it is too busy.

Guess I will just need to be patient until some of the dust clears and see if Microsoft makes some offering to us loosers or I can download the 8.1 ISO.
 

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System One

  • OS
    Windows 8
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Toshiba NB525
    CPU
    Atom 2800
    Motherboard
    Toshiba
    Memory
    2GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel 3650
    Browser
    IE11
    Antivirus
    MSE
Could you try using external monitor connected to your vga port, I'm not sure if it lets you use metro with it as your computers own display don't support those resolutions.
 

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Hello Mad Dog,


Thanks for the reply, no VGA, only a HDMI port, however I had tried attaching an external monitor, still crashes the system with the Intel 3600/Atom 2800 CPU and Metro apps.

I did manage to down load 8.1 from Upgrade Windows with only a product key - Microsoft Windows Help and upgrade my 8.0 instalation to 8.1.

I then removed all the Metro apps through the command line "Get-AppxPackage -AllUsers | Remove-AppxPackage".

Uninstalled Internet Explorer 11 installed Firefox because Microsoft in their ultimate wisdom made Internet Explorer 11 a Metro app and it will not run on the Intel 3600/Atom 2800 CPU.

Remember this machine passes the Windows 8.0 and 8.1 Microsoft compatibility check.

So I am up and running only issue now is to figure out how to down grade IE11 to IE10 and I will be temporary content with my system.
 

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System One

  • OS
    Windows 8
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Toshiba NB525
    CPU
    Atom 2800
    Motherboard
    Toshiba
    Memory
    2GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel 3650
    Browser
    IE11
    Antivirus
    MSE
There is a desktop version of IE and a Metro version in 8 and 8.1?
 

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There is a desktop version of IE and a Metro version in 8 and 8.1?

Hello Alphanumeric,

Not that I am aware of, 8.0 has IE10 no issues, in 8.1, only an IE version 11 that has some Metro aspects incorporated into it which manages to not run with my video card, blacks out the screen and I am forced to restart before I can get and video back up.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Toshiba NB525
    CPU
    Atom 2800
    Motherboard
    Toshiba
    Memory
    2GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel 3650
    Browser
    IE11
    Antivirus
    MSE
What is the reason it won't run Metro? Is it simply because of the requirement for a resolution of 1024x768 or better?

I installed Windows 8 on my netbook but had to change a registry setting in order to set the resolution high enough in order to run Metro apps. See this thread: http://www.eightforums.com/general-support/32018-win-8-netbook.html

Another possibility would be to install 8.1 from an ISO that was downloaded on another machine. See this thread: http://www.eightforums.com/installation-setup/33164-how-download-windows-8-1-iso.html

Hi there
how about this one

Connect your net book to an EXTERNAL monitor -- the graphic cards in these netbooks will support a higher resolution on these than the native screen -- using Windows +P try and display on external monitor only

Then do your upgrade from the store.

Cheers
jimbo
 

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There is a desktop version of IE and a Metro version in 8 and 8.1?

Hello Alphanumeric,

Not that I am aware of, 8.0 has IE10 no issues, in 8.1, only an IE version 11 that has some Metro aspects incorporated into it which manages to not run with my video card, blacks out the screen and I am forced to restart before I can get and video back up.

If you launch IE from the desktop taskbar shortcut you get the desktop IE. If you launch it from the Metro Start Screen you get the Metro version.
C:\Programs Files (x86)\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe is the desktop version. I put a shortcut to it on my Start Screen and unpin the Metro one that I never use.
 

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    ASUS M4N68T-M V2 µATX Motherboard
    Memory
    8GB 4GBx2 Kingston PC10600 DDR3 1333 Memory
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA Geforce GT640 2 Gig DDR3 PCIe
    Sound Card
    VIA VT1708s High Definition Audio 8-channel Onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    22" LG E2242 1080p and 2 19" I-INC AG191D
    Screen Resolution
    1280x1024 - 1920x1080 - 1280x1024
    Hard Drives
    Crucial MX100 256 GB SSD and 500 GB WD Blue SATA
    PSU
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    Logitech Wireless K350 Wave
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    Internet Speed
    80 Mbps Down 30 Mbps Up
    Browser
    Internet Explorer 11
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    HP DVD1040e Lightscribe - External USB2
I successfully upgraded a netbook to 8.1. You have to connect an external monitor and then go to display settings to make the external monitor the only output device. You may also have to increase the screen resolution. You can change the display back as soon as it has finished installing.
 

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  • OS
    windows 8
What is the reason it won't run Metro? Is it simply because of the requirement for a resolution of 1024x768 or better?

Hi there
how about this one

Connect your net book to an EXTERNAL monitor -- the graphic cards in these netbooks will support a higher resolution on these than the native screen -- using Windows +P try and display on external monitor only

Then do your upgrade from the store.

Cheers
jimbo

Hello Jimbo,

Please read the post three above yours, " Hello Mad Dog,

Thanks for the reply, no VGA, only a HDMI port, however I had tried attaching an external monitor, still crashes the system with the Intel 3600/Atom 2800 CPU and Metro apps."

Hello Alphanumeric,

If you launch IE from the desktop taskbar shortcut you get the desktop IE. If you launch it from the Metro Start Screen you get the Metro version.
C:\Programs Files (x86)\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe is the desktop version. I put a shortcut to it on my Start Screen and unpin the Metro one that I never use.

As soon as I start up C:\Programs Files (x86)\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe it blacks out the screen on my Intel 3600/atom 2800 Toshiba NB525 and the video will not return until I restart.

It will not run correctly weather it is launched from the Metro interface, the desk top, or from file explorer.

Maybe some one knows how to launch it with a command line switch that will be a life saver.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 8
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Toshiba NB525
    CPU
    Atom 2800
    Motherboard
    Toshiba
    Memory
    2GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel 3650
    Browser
    IE11
    Antivirus
    MSE
I successfully upgraded a netbook to 8.1. You have to connect an external monitor and then go to display settings to make the external monitor the only output device. You may also have to increase the screen resolution. You can change the display back as soon as it has finished installing.

Hello Inspiron42,

These computers are all similar in size net book however very different in function.

The general term net book needs to be a bit more specific, it is no more descriptive than saying I put an engine in a car, not every V8 will fit in a Smart car.

Let us know what processor and video processor your net book is running?

Again, attaching an external monitor, making the external monitor the only output device and upping the resolution with an Intel 3600/Atom 2800 net book does not permit running of the Metro applications, in addition neither does the registry edit, down scaling or upscaling.

We need some fresh ideas, https://communities.intel.com/thread/33841
 
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System One

  • OS
    Windows 8
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Toshiba NB525
    CPU
    Atom 2800
    Motherboard
    Toshiba
    Memory
    2GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel 3650
    Browser
    IE11
    Antivirus
    MSE
I successfully upgraded a netbook to 8.1. You have to connect an external monitor and then go to display settings to make the external monitor the only output device. You may also have to increase the screen resolution. You can change the display back as soon as it has finished installing.

Hello Inspiron42,

These computers are all similar in size net book however very different in function.

The general term net book needs to be a bit more specific, it is no more descriptive than saying I put an engine in a car, not every V8 will fit in a Smart car.

Let us know what processor and video processor your net book is running?

Again, attaching an external monitor, making the external monitor the only output device and upping the resolution with an Intel 3600/Atom 2800 net book does not permit running of the Metro applications, in addition neither does the registry edit, down scaling or upscaling.

We need some fresh ideas, https://communities.intel.com/thread/33841
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Gateway mini with gma3600 graphics and N2600 atom processor.

1. Disable gma3600 graphics. (screen will flicker as generic driver is activated)
2. connect external monitor capable of 1024 X 768 minimum resolution
3. Change graphics to only show monitor #2 (lcd screen has to be black)
4. disable the generic graphics driver
5. check graphics again and select 1024X768 resolution or greater
6. Run the store app to get the update.
7. After installation is complete remove external monitor and re-enable the gm3600 graphics and you should be good to go.

The key here is to disable the gma3600 which installs the generic driver and then disable the generic driver as well. I don't know why it works but it does.

Good Luck!
 

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Hello Inspiron42,

Thanks for you reply, I have 8.1 on the machine it will just not run any of the metro/modern apps or IE11, launch of IE just disables my display to a flickering black screen, other metro/modern app say to low of resolution.

Which video driver are you running with on your machine with 8.1, the Intel 8.14.8.1091 or a Gateway specific driver and what resolution are you using?
 

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System One

  • OS
    Windows 8
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Toshiba NB525
    CPU
    Atom 2800
    Motherboard
    Toshiba
    Memory
    2GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel 3650
    Browser
    IE11
    Antivirus
    MSE
I modded my Gateway LT4009u with a 4GB ram stick (It will recognize 3 MB) and a 120GB SSD. I am using the Acer D270 driver version 8.14.8.1075 rather than the Gateway driver version 8.14.8.1065. You can get the 1075 driver from the Acer website. To be honest I don't see any difference. I was never able to get the 1091 driver to install. I am using the standard 1024 x 600 resolution.
 
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