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Besically "Yes" or "No" to W8 code on W8.1 evaluation copy

  1. #11


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    That's going to catch some people out that upgraded from a an preinstalled factory OEM Windows 8.0. They aren't going to know what their Windows 8 key is.

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  2. #12


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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    That's going to catch some people out that upgraded from a an preinstalled factory OEM Windows 8.0. They aren't going to know what their Windows 8 key is.
    Yes - maybe the Update will be clever enough to read it from the BIOS though?; if 3rd party apps can do it then you'd hope Microsoft could!

    Although it gets more complicated for people who've changed from the original install, either by adding a Pro Pack or something more complex like using a Volume Licensed edition or whatever.
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  3. #13


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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidY View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    That's going to catch some people out that upgraded from a an preinstalled factory OEM Windows 8.0. They aren't going to know what their Windows 8 key is.
    Yes - maybe the Update will be clever enough to read it from the BIOS though?; if 3rd party apps can do it then you'd hope Microsoft could!

    Although it gets more complicated for people who've changed from the original install, either by adding a Pro Pack or something more complex like using a Volume Licensed edition or whatever.
    Maybe, it would make sense to do that and save some people a headache. I know the TechNet 8.1 RTM ISO won't use my laptops embedded code. I have no idea if it actually looks for it or not but I get prompted to enter a code during the install. That may be because it will only install with an 8.1 code. The 8.0 TechNet ISO reads the embedded code and installs the matching version, 8 core in my case. I was really hoping the 8.1 ISO would do the same, but it didn't.
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  4. #14


    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DavidY View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    That's going to catch some people out that upgraded from a an preinstalled factory OEM Windows 8.0. They aren't going to know what their Windows 8 key is.
    Yes - maybe the Update will be clever enough to read it from the BIOS though?; if 3rd party apps can do it then you'd hope Microsoft could!

    Although it gets more complicated for people who've changed from the original install, either by adding a Pro Pack or something more complex like using a Volume Licensed edition or whatever.
    Maybe, it would make sense to do that and save some people a headache. I know the TechNet 8.1 RTM ISO won't use my laptops embedded code. I have no idea if it actually looks for it or not but I get prompted to enter a code during the install. That may be because it will only install with an 8.1 code. The 8.0 TechNet ISO reads the embedded code and installs the matching version, 8 core in my case. I was really hoping the 8.1 ISO would do the same, but it didn't.
    Is the TechNet ISO and the leak ISO the same? Try install using 8.1 leaked install key, then activate using the embedded key.
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  5. #15


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    Quote Originally Posted by MrShowdown View Post
    Is the TechNet ISO and the leak ISO the same? Try install using 8.1 leaked install key, then activate using the embedded key.
    Yes that will work, I did that on my desktop PC and used a Windows 8 key to activate. On my laptop I didn't know what the embedded key was and had no easy way to find it at that moment. I had already started doing a clean install and was prompted to enter a product code. I just used one of my TechNet 8.1 codes and moved on. It was after that, that I researched how to retrieve the code. The scripts that are around read what's in the Registry not what's stored in the BIOS. If you've upgraded to Pro or added Media center they will give you the wrong key. I used a utility called rweverything to retrieve it. At least I think its what I want, I have yet to test it to see if it works. That won't be until I have to reinstall on my laptop.

    EDIT: As far as I know the leaked ISO's are the same as the TechNet ISO's. The OEM's just got them first and leaked them, before they were released to TechNet. The ones on bit torrent may have been modified, and not in a good way, but the source was what Microsoft released to the OEM's like Dell, HP, etc.
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  6. #16


    Thanks for the info guys!
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  7. #17


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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    EDIT: As far as I know the leaked ISO's are the same as the TechNet ISO's. The OEM's just got them first and leaked them, before they were released to TechNet. The ones on bit torrent may have been modified, and not in a good way, but the source was what Microsoft released to the OEM's like Dell, HP, etc.
    My theory is that, because the leaked ISOs were originally intended for OEMs, they were intended for installation on a new PC without needing to worry about Upgrading some previous installation. Therefore the current ISOs aren't good at upgrading.

    My hope is that with the General Availability release next week, whatever appears will have a decent upgrade mechanism built in which copes with embedded keys, 8.1 Preview PCs, and such-like.
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  8. #18


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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidY View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    EDIT: As far as I know the leaked ISO's are the same as the TechNet ISO's. The OEM's just got them first and leaked them, before they were released to TechNet. The ones on bit torrent may have been modified, and not in a good way, but the source was what Microsoft released to the OEM's like Dell, HP, etc.
    My theory is that, because the leaked ISOs were originally intended for OEMs, they were intended for installation on a new PC without needing to worry about Upgrading some previous installation. Therefore the current ISOs aren't good at upgrading.

    My hope is that with the General Availability release next week, whatever appears will have a decent upgrade mechanism built in which copes with embedded keys, 8.1 Preview PCs, and such-like.
    I'll be watching my TechNet account for any new releases. I have yet to do an actual upgrade from the ISO, my two installs were clean installs. Other than not using my laptops embedded code it was no different from what I saw using my 8.0 ISO. As far as the install process goes anyway. In a way it actually saves me a step as I would normally have to install 8 Core, then upgrade to 8 Pro and then add Media Center. Now I can just skip having to install Core and install Pro. Then just do the one add features for Media Center.
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  9. #19


    Quote Originally Posted by DavidY View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    EDIT: As far as I know the leaked ISO's are the same as the TechNet ISO's. The OEM's just got them first and leaked them, before they were released to TechNet. The ones on bit torrent may have been modified, and not in a good way, but the source was what Microsoft released to the OEM's like Dell, HP, etc.
    My theory is that, because the leaked ISOs were originally intended for OEMs, they were intended for installation on a new PC without needing to worry about Upgrading some previous installation. Therefore the current ISOs aren't good at upgrading.

    My hope is that with the General Availability release next week, whatever appears will have a decent upgrade mechanism built in which copes with embedded keys, 8.1 Preview PCs, and such-like.
    No, the leaked ISO was intended for OEM, however it depends on the key you used to activate it, whether it's a OEM key, or Retail, or VLK. The ISO works for upgrade however.
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  10. #20


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    Quote Originally Posted by MrShowdown View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DavidY View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    EDIT: As far as I know the leaked ISO's are the same as the TechNet ISO's. The OEM's just got them first and leaked them, before they were released to TechNet. The ones on bit torrent may have been modified, and not in a good way, but the source was what Microsoft released to the OEM's like Dell, HP, etc.
    My theory is that, because the leaked ISOs were originally intended for OEMs, they were intended for installation on a new PC without needing to worry about Upgrading some previous installation. Therefore the current ISOs aren't good at upgrading.

    My hope is that with the General Availability release next week, whatever appears will have a decent upgrade mechanism built in which copes with embedded keys, 8.1 Preview PCs, and such-like.
    No, the leaked ISO was intended for OEM, however it depends on the key you used to activate it, whether it's a OEM key, or Retail, or VLK. The ISO works for upgrade however.
    VL Pro is a different ISO from the 8 multi edition ISO, it is on TechNet anyway. 8.1 TechNet keys are Retail. The 8.1 multi edition ISO will accept OEM keys though.
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