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Will there be a Windows 8.1 final release ISO download?

  1. #11


    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alkaufmann View Post
    Why do you need to go through the Microsoft store to do this 8.1 update? I would like it to come down just like all the other updates do now or give the option to download the upgrade packages if you have several machines.
    Ask Microsoft? I don't think anybody here knows why they are doing it though the store, other than to promote the store. That and its free if you are already running Windows 8. If you are running Windows 7 or earlier you'll be buying it online or in a retail store. I have no idea what you'll get if you buy it online, hopefully you'll get an option to save an ISO file to burn to DVD. Personally I think this could backfire on Microsoft and end up generating a lot of bad press if a lot of these upgrades go south. Just trying to recover their systems back to Windows 8 could be a problem for some users if they don't create recovery media before hand. This is a big update and the Windows kernel is updated. It's more than your usual service pack type of deal. I think of it as Windows 8 Second Edition.
    and 1/2!

    Edit:

    And I will for sure be contacting MS if they don't release an ISO.
    Last edited by HippsieGypsie; 21 Sep 2013 at 13:11.

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  2. #12


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    Quote Originally Posted by alkaufmann View Post
    One thing I did note is if you use the Windows Store under 8.1 for anything, even free installations, you will need to use a Microsoft account.
    In the later blog post (again in the comments section) they say you can at least install 8.1 without a Store account.
    From: Pricing and Packaging for Windows 8.1

    Quote Originally Posted by Brandon LeBlanc
    you can use your local account on Windows 8 to update to Windows 8.1 from the Windows Store. You do not need a connected Microsoft account.
    So maybe there will be some extra functionality in the Store when the 8.1 final release comes out next month; it would be a bit odd if you could install 8.1 without a Microsoft Account and then were forced to use it as soon as you wanted to do anything else in the Store.
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  3. #13


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    I thought the 8.1 RTM was the final release?
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  4. #14


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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidY View Post
    In the later blog post (again in the comments section) they say you can at least install 8.1 without a Store account.
    From: Pricing and Packaging for Windows 8.1

    Quote Originally Posted by Brandon LeBlanc
    you can use your local account on Windows 8 to update to Windows 8.1 from the Windows Store. You do not need a connected Microsoft account.
    So maybe there will be some extra functionality in the Store when the 8.1 final release comes out next month; it would be a bit odd if you could install 8.1 without a Microsoft Account and then were forced to use it as soon as you wanted to do anything else in the Store.
    I installed the 8.1 PRO RTM version and I was required to use my Microsoft account to install it. After it was installed I used the disconnection option and that allowed me to set up my local user account BUT on my drive c:/users my local account is not listed but my Hotmail account is shown twice. I tried renaming and deleting without success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pandacookie View Post
    I thought the 8.1 RTM was the final release?
    Maybe, maybe not? Microsoft have been vague on this but from what I have read they may make changes and fix issues right up to the oct 18th release. It's hard to tell if they are going to actually patch the code of just release updates. I hope they patch the ISO and or release a newer version if any major glitches are found..
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    Hi there

    I think if you install DISCONNECTED FROM THE INTERNET you don't need to set up a Ms account - local account works.

    As far as ISO's are concerned - currently they are available from TechNet / MSDN both PRO and ENTERPRISE so I'd imagine these will filter down to retail channels sooner or later.

    What about people who NEVER have had Windows in the first place - say they've been using Linux for years and now want Windows -- how are they going to install.

    I'm sure it's only a matter of time.

    As far as major glitches are concerned there's already ONE that's causing a bit of grief -- SILVERLIGHT and IE11 don't work together - causing a number of problems for some people using Media streaming services (Netflix. SKY GO etc). For SKY GO use the CHROME browser !!!!! -- Sad reflection of Ms when they issue software out to RTM when TWO of their OWN components (IE11 which they are pushing - even for W7 users) and Silverlight.

    The whole nonsense probably is still the movie industry's crazy obsession with DRM -- thank goodness the whole DRM mess was "unofficially" abandoned by the audio industry and for e-books the DE-DRM plug in for Calibre fixes any remaining DRM for e-book stuff too.

    I think NETFLIX is going to abandon the use of Silverlight completely soon -- if you have NETFLIX or SKY GO problems with IE11 install CHROME and enable the Silverlight plugin.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    What about people who NEVER have had Windows in the first place - say they've been using Linux for years and now want Windows -- how are they going to install.
    They can buy a copy of Windows 8.1. For people who don't have Windows 8, it's simple, you just buy a copy and (I presume) get an ISO on the DVD or for download. There won't be separate Upgrade and System Builder editions for 8.1; it's the same edition whether you're upgrading or installing on a brand-new disk.

    The people who (as far as I can tell) won't be able to get an ISO from Microsoft are the people who've already got a licence for Windows 8 and entitled to a free upgrade to 8.1.

    Even then there are some questions - for instance what happens if you had Windows 8 Core pre-installed on your PC, did a Clean Install with the Windows 8.1 Pro Preview (so you're now running on the 8.1 Pro Preview Product Key)? Will the Windows Store be clever enough to read your Product key back from the BIOS to put you back on your "real" key?
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pandacookie View Post
    I thought the 8.1 RTM was the final release?
    Maybe, maybe not? Microsoft have been vague on this but from what I have read they may make changes and fix issues right up to the oct 18th release. It's hard to tell if they are going to actually patch the code of just release updates. I hope they patch the ISO and or release a newer version if any major glitches are found..
    Hi there
    Windows 8.1 ENTERPRISE won't upgrade a WINDOWS 8 ENTERPRISE version currently - (WINDOWS 8 ENTERPRISE was a TechNet "Real" not a preview version) so I'd imagine unless some new ISO's are released users installing from an ISO will have to INSTALL FROM NEW.

    What's confusing is that there appears to be a choice -- but even if you go for the "upgrade" you just get presented with chices - keep user files or keep nothing - and the install does a new install but keeps things like IE favourites settings, documents etc. You have to re-install all your applications (and some special drivers depending on your hardware) all over again. The old drivers etc are kept in a WINDOWS.OLD file so it's not a hassle to re-install these but you need to be aware of this.

    I had the same problem when I installed W8 PRO from TechNet and tried to upgrade to W8.1 PRO also from TechNet - both from ISO's- I tested that combination on a VM.

    So it looks for ENTEPRISE users - re-install (not sure how many W8 enterprise versions were ever out there -- probably not to many - and these were I guess mainly in I.T depts. with people just testing. For PRO users it looks like Ms is forcing people through the STORE if they want to upgrade rather than install new.

    We shall see anyway in a few weeks when W8.1 becomes generally available to "the great unwashed".

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    So it looks for ENTEPRISE users - re-install (not sure how many W8 enterprise versions were ever out there -- probably not to many - and these were I guess mainly in I.T depts. with people just testing).
    I suspect most big corporate setups aim to update every 5 years or so... those people that have rolled out W8 to the Enterprise probably aren't too happy that they will have to do a significant upgrade to 8.1 within 2 years to stay supported.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pandacookie View Post
    I thought the 8.1 RTM was the final release?
    Maybe, maybe not? Microsoft have been vague on this but from what I have read they may make changes and fix issues right up to the oct 18th release. It's hard to tell if they are going to actually patch the code of just release updates. I hope they patch the ISO and or release a newer version if any major glitches are found..
    Hi there
    Windows 8.1 ENTERPRISE won't upgrade a WINDOWS 8 ENTERPRISE version currently - (WINDOWS 8 ENTERPRISE was a TechNet "Real" not a preview version) so I'd imagine unless some new ISO's are released users installing from an ISO will have to INSTALL FROM NEW.

    What's confusing is that there appears to be a choice -- but even if you go for the "upgrade" you just get presented with chices - keep user files or keep nothing - and the install does a new install but keeps things like IE favourites settings, documents etc. You have to re-install all your applications (and some special drivers depending on your hardware) all over again. The old drivers etc are kept in a WINDOWS.OLD file so it's not a hassle to re-install these but you need to be aware of this.

    I had the same problem when I installed W8 PRO from TechNet and tried to upgrade to W8.1 PRO also from TechNet - both from ISO's- I tested that combination on a VM.

    So it looks for ENTEPRISE users - re-install (not sure how many W8 enterprise versions were ever out there -- probably not to many - and these were I guess mainly in I.T depts. with people just testing. For PRO users it looks like Ms is forcing people through the STORE if they want to upgrade rather than install new.

    We shall see anyway in a few weeks when W8.1 becomes generally available to "the great unwashed".

    Cheers
    jimbo
    I haven't done any upgrade installs from the ISO, only clean installs, so I haven't had to contend with the keep this or keep that menu options. This is going to sound like nit picking but the TechNet ISO is actually Multii, not just Pro. You can install 8 core from it if you wanted to. TechNet only gives you 8 Pro keys but MSDN gives Pro and Core keys. 5 of each instead of the 3 you get from TechNet.
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