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Windows on a bare Hard Drive

  1. #11


    Quote Originally Posted by DavidY View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimmieballgame View Post
    What size file is the Windows 8.1 Preview? I read somewhere that you need around 16 GB on your hard drive in order to load Windows 8. That sounds like a LOT!! Will it fit on a CD or does it take a DVD? I'm going to have my Grandson download it to one of those so I can load it on mine. Will this work? How long do I have to use the Preview before I have to shell out the bucks?
    It's something like:
    • 32-bit : 2.6 GB
    • 64-bit : 3.5 GB

    It won't fit on a CD but should be no problem on a DVD.

    I advise choosing the number of bits (32 or 64) you want to end up with in Windows 8, because I think you should be able to download the regular Windows 8 ISO from the Preview once you've got it going, but it keeps the same number of bits.

    The Preview will work until the middle of January 2014 (think it's January 14th or 15th) and then it will stop working.
    Thanks for the info. Now I know why people like me just go out and buy a completed PC.

    Which is exactly what I would do if I could afford it. But....

    I have 32-bit Vista on a hard drive that won't start. Must I go 32-bit Windows 8.1 or can I go 64-bit? Will I be able to transfer files from my 32-bit Vista HD slave to a new 64-bit Windows 8.1 HD master or are the hard drives going to act like the Hatfields and McCoys? Will my equipment even handle 64-bit? I plan on upgrading everything in the next 5-7 months. I want to do video editing when I've got it going.

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  2. #12


    Posts : 959
    Windows 8.1, 10


    Quote Originally Posted by jimmieballgame View Post
    Thanks for the info. Now I know why people like me just go out and buy a completed PC.

    Which is exactly what I would do if I could afford it. But....

    I have 32-bit Vista on a hard drive that won't start. Must I go 32-bit Windows 8.1 or can I go 64-bit?
    You possibly can go 64-bit, but I think the question is whether you should. This quote from another thread today is perhaps relevant:

    Quote Originally Posted by LMiller7 View Post
    Most notebooks are currently sold with a 64 bit CPU because that is what most modern CPUs are. But they often run a 32 bit OS because that is most appropriate for what a notebook was designed for. Many people think that a 64 bit OS will be significantly faster than a 32 bit but in most cases that just isn't the case. The performance advantages will be minimal and in many cases it will be slower. A 64 bit OS has some major advantages but these are primarily for native 64 bit applications which for a number of reasons are not really appropriate for a notebook. For most people the primary advantage of a 64 bit OS is the ability to access over 4 GB RAM and then only when running applications that can really take advantage of it.
    Also if you have some old software, 32-bit will run a few things that 64-bit won't, and with an older PC, it may be easier to get 32-bit drivers that match your hardware.

    Personally, with 2GB of RAM, and older hardware, I'd stick with 32-bit.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimmieballgame View Post
    Will I be able to transfer files from my 32-bit Vista HD slave to a new 64-bit Windows 8.1 HD master or are the hard drives going to act like the Hatfields and McCoys?
    I'm going to leave that one to someone who knows more about disks than I do.
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  3. #13


    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
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    Windows 10 Education 64 Bit


    32 bit versus 64 bit will not affect file transfers from one drive to another if that is what you are wondering. Both will NTFS.
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  4. #14


    "You possibly can go 64-bit, but I think the question is whether you should. This quote from another thread today is perhaps relevant:

    Quote Originally Posted by LMiller7 View Post
    Most notebooks are currently sold with a 64 bit CPU because that is what most modern CPUs are. But they often run a 32 bit OS because that is most appropriate for what a notebook was designed for. Many people think that a 64 bit OS will be significantly faster than a 32 bit but in most cases that just isn't the case. The performance advantages will be minimal and in many cases it will be slower. A 64 bit OS has some major advantages but these are primarily for native 64 bit applications which for a number of reasons are not really appropriate for a notebook. For most people the primary advantage of a 64 bit OS is the ability to access over 4 GB RAM and then only when running applications that can really take advantage of it.
    Also if you have some old software, 32-bit will run a few things that 64-bit won't, and with an older PC, it may be easier to get 32-bit drivers that match your hardware.

    Personally, with 2GB of RAM, and older hardware, I'd stick with 32-bit."

    Thanks David, I'll be taking your advice. I appreciate your time annd your rely.
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  5. #15


    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    32 bit versus 64 bit will not affect file transfers from one drive to another if that is what you are wondering. Both will NTFS.
    Thanks, that's exactly what I wanted to know.
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  6. #16


    No matter where you are, if you just heard an explosion, that was my head blowing up.

    Getting close to getting this done and I find a hundred foot wall stopping me.

    Since my HD with Vista isn't working, I was going to have my Grandson in Colorado download Windows 8.1 Preview and burn it on a DVD. My wife, who is visiting him would bring it back tomorrow and I could do a fresh install on a new HD. When looking through the page for the Windows 8.1 Preview download, I read this:

    "You must be signed in to your PC with a Microsoft account to be able to use Windows 8.1 Preview. The option to create a local account will be made available at the final release of Windows 8.1."

    Now what? "To be able to use"? Can I load this preview version and then once it's going sign in to my pc with a Microsoft account? Or, if I can't sign in before I load it [which I can't do at all], am I completely out of luck?
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  7. #17


    Posts : 959
    Windows 8.1, 10


    If you disable network access while you're running the install, it defaults to a local account.

    How you disable network access varies depending on your PC, but if you unplug any network cable and switch off your Wifi switch on the computer (and perhaps temporarily switch off your router for good measure) that should probably do it.
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  8. #18


    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts : 6,490
    Windows 10 Education 64 Bit


    Quote Originally Posted by jimmieballgame View Post
    No matter where you are, if you just heard an explosion, that was my head blowing up.

    Getting close to getting this done and I find a hundred foot wall stopping me.

    Since my HD with Vista isn't working, I was going to have my Grandson in Colorado download Windows 8.1 Preview and burn it on a DVD. My wife, who is visiting him would bring it back tomorrow and I could do a fresh install on a new HD. When looking through the page for the Windows 8.1 Preview download, I read this:

    "You must be signed in to your PC with a Microsoft account to be able to use Windows 8.1 Preview. The option to create a local account will be made available at the final release of Windows 8.1."

    Now what? "To be able to use"? Can I load this preview version and then once it's going sign in to my pc with a Microsoft account? Or, if I can't sign in before I load it [which I can't do at all], am I completely out of luck?
    What that means is during the install you'll be prompted to enter your Microsoft Account info for logon. The local account option doesn't show like before. As DavidY pointed out, if you don't have Internet Access it will show up. I've also heard if you click no or cancel or whatever it is, three times, the local account option shows up.
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