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  1. #11


    Posts : 22,578
    64-bit Windows 10


    John,

    Not sure about the 100MB partition though.

    I haven't tested a clean install with a retail box Windows 8 upgrade DVD. I've heard that these may require to be installed in a qualifying OS (ex: Windows 7). However, how would they expect you to be able to transfer it to a new computer if you couldn't clean install it. I just don't have one to test with since I have ISOs instead.

    The Windows 8 upgrade ISO can be clean installed without issue though.

    Either way, the EULA requires that you already own a qualifying OS to qualify for the cheaper Windows 8 upgrade versus more expensive Windows 8 system builder copy.

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  2. #12


    Posts : 1,093
    Windows 8 Pro Windows 8.1 Preview


    Quote Originally Posted by Brink View Post
    John,

    Not sure about the 100MB partition though.

    I haven't tested a clean install with a retail box Windows 8 upgrade DVD. I've heard that these may require to be installed in a qualifying OS (ex: Windows 7). However, how would they expect you to be able to transfer it to a new computer if you couldn't clean install it. I just don't have one to test with since I have ISOs instead.

    The Windows 8 upgrade ISO can be clean installed without issue though.

    Either way, the EULA requires that you already own a qualifying OS to qualify for the cheaper Windows 8 upgrade versus more expensive Windows 8 system builder copy.
    I have tested a clean install using the retail DVD and it works perfectly. I bought it at microcenter and it contained both the x32 and x64 DVDs.

    UPDATE: I first performed an upgrade from Win 7 to Win 8 and then did a clean install; however, I never attempted a clean install of Win 8 directly over Win 7 and unfortunately I only had one shot to try it that way.
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  3. #13


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    Windows 8 Pro Windows 8.1 Preview


    Brink,

    I have a test rig available where I can reinstall Win 7 (via system image) and proceed from there using the Win 8 Pro Upgrade retail discs if you need me to do some specific testing in that area. If so, just PM me with the particulars and I'll get it done.
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  4. #14


    Posts : 22,578
    64-bit Windows 10


    Quote Originally Posted by JustATest View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Brink View Post
    John,

    Not sure about the 100MB partition though.

    I haven't tested a clean install with a retail box Windows 8 upgrade DVD. I've heard that these may require to be installed in a qualifying OS (ex: Windows 7). However, how would they expect you to be able to transfer it to a new computer if you couldn't clean install it. I just don't have one to test with since I have ISOs instead.

    The Windows 8 upgrade ISO can be clean installed without issue though.

    Either way, the EULA requires that you already own a qualifying OS to qualify for the cheaper Windows 8 upgrade versus more expensive Windows 8 system builder copy.
    I have tested a clean install using the retail DVD and it works perfectly. I bought it at microcenter and it contained both the x32 and x64 DVDs.

    UPDATE: I first performed an upgrade from Win 7 to Win 8 and then did a clean install; however, I never attempted a clean install of Win 8 directly over Win 7 and unfortunately I only had one shot to try it that way.
    Thank you for confirming the retail box DVD. I thought that it would as well.

    Usually I do a clean install at boot on an empty drive instead, but it'll work either way.
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  5. #15


    Central West (near Orange) NSW
    Posts : 300
    8 Pro desk 1 (SB) 7 Home desk 2 (IB) 8 Pro Lap 1


    Um now I am a bit confused now as I only have my OEM 7 DVD's and two 8 Pro upgrade DVD's.

    I think Justatest may have thought that I have an 8 in either the OEM or retail version installed but I haven't - the 8 I have running on this laptop originally had 7 installed on it. I just put the upgrade disk into the optical drive and followed the prompts and it installed.


    I am sorry that I maybe could have been a bit more explicit perhaps in point form - my main concern was being curious where the 100MB partition that was made when I installed the 7 had gone.

    I just read it as I needed a qualifying OS that is Vista 7 or 8 running and then install the 8 Pro on top of that by inserting the disk and follow the prompts which is basically what I did.

    I see J did try the way I did it and it worked - an 8 over the 7 and I can only speak for myself I mucked up the first try by downloading too many of the free apps so I had to wipe the drive and redo the install of 7 (I cloned the original drive) and then installed the 8.

    Sorry for the confusion perhaps I should never have asked.
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  6. #16


    Posts : 1,093
    Windows 8 Pro Windows 8.1 Preview


    I think you are still confused because everything should work as previously described:

    Scenario:
    You have Windows 7 installed
    You upgrade that Win 7 installation using the Win 8 Pro upgrade disc
    Note:
    At this point some have experienced problems due to upgrading Win 7 to Win 8 instead of having a pure OS installation and/or some just don't feel comfortable having an upgraded PC because they fear there may be problems down the road.

    Question:
    What to do?

    Answer:
    You take the same Window 8 Pro Upgrade disc and do a "clean install" to the just upgraded installation.

    Note:
    The reason this can be done is because your newly upgraded rig will pass the validation test of the upgrade Pro disc.

    You now follow Brink's tutorial and wipe the hard drive clean during the process; thereby, doing a "clean install."



    The end result is you have a brand new Win 8 Pro installation with no trace that Win 7 ever existed.

    I hope this information helps you.
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  7. #17


    Hafnarfjörður IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi there
    just an addition -- if you want to get rid of the 100MB system partition (if it still exists) then just boot up a version of partition wizard or gparted and delete the partition and expand the OS partition to fill the empty space. Now set the "C" partition to ACTIVE or you won't be able to complete the next part.

    Boot Windows -- it will BSOD so you need to insert the Windows recovery disk and do a repair windows. It should boot up after a few minutes and the whole of W8 should now be in a single partition -- but having the single 100MB partition is no big deal -- just ensure that if it exists back it up as well as the "C" partition when doing an OS backup.

    BTW BEFORE attempting deleting partitions etc BACKUP both the 100MB partition AND the "C" partition just in case your system presents other problems.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  8. #18


    Central West (near Orange) NSW
    Posts : 300
    8 Pro desk 1 (SB) 7 Home desk 2 (IB) 8 Pro Lap 1


    I am going to mark as solved as I feel I have made a big mistake in being curious as to why the 100MB partition disappeared that was there when the 7 was installed by I am assuming default.

    I have installed an upgrade of 8 twice now with no problems apart from the mistakes I made with the free apps the first time.

    I just cloned the 7 drive and used the clone as the base OS for the 8 Pro upgrade I don't need to clean install it.

    On last note I am about to do the same thing with the Sandy Bridge build and that has two 100MB partitions where there was only one on the laptop so I shall be very interested in what happens to them.
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  9. #19


    Posts : 22,578
    64-bit Windows 10


    John,

    No worries mate. You were only a bit confused about how a Windows 8 upgrade copy could be installed.

    We only suggested a clean install so that you would get the 350 MB system partition added normally for Windows 8 when doing a clean install on a blank drive.

    Besides, we don't learn and have fun unless we play and scrape our knees a few times.
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  10. #20


    Posts : 5,592
    ME, XP,Vista,Win7,Win8,Win8.1


    Quote Originally Posted by ICit2lol
    I now wished I had not posted this as I was only curious about the missing 10MB partition that was there in 7.

    You only cloned the C: partition, & not the Hdd with the 101 mb Unallocated, 100 System Reserved partition, & 119.04 C: partition. (Ref: SevenForums)


    Now if by qualifying OS it means it can be put over a 7 install then that is what I did.
    You can do a clean install, but you need to delete the Windows 7 install on both drives.

    Clean Install with Windows 8 Upgrade

    https://www.eightforums.com/general-d...ws-8-eula.html

    Quote Originally Posted by Microsoft
    What about upgrading the software? The software covered by this agreement is an upgrade to your existing operating system software, so the upgrade replaces the original software that you are upgrading. You do not retain any rights to the original software after you have upgraded and you may not continue to use it or transfer it in any way. This agreement governs your rights to use the upgrade software and replaces the agreement for the software from which you upgraded. After you complete your upgrade, additional software will be required to playback or record certain types of media, including DVDs.
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