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    Quote Originally Posted by znod View Post
    And, you know my position, I think, that I won't buy a new Windows preinstalled machine until MS/the OEM's provide means for costless clean reinstalls--for any desired reason.
    That's one of the things that I really liked when I bought this Dell 6430u. For $2.30 (i believe), I was able to add the Windows 8 reinstall media. I'll gladly pony up $2 for the media. I've been able to reinstall from this disc on my Dell numerous times now, with 0 issues. No keys necessary, no activation. Easy as can be.

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    @Znod Its all cool with me, no I didn't think you were singling me out. I often make "I want to set the record straight" comments knowing a lot of people may read a thread.
    I think I see where you're going with this. When you talk software you're referring to the actual media, the CD or DVD. To me the software is the actual installed program. In this case Windows 8. If I gave you my Windows 8 DVD and no product code the software has not actually changed hands or been transferred. You don't have my license. If someone downloads just an ISO of Windows with no product code no software has been transferred from one PC to the next. It's just install media and useless without a license to use it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by znod View Post
    And, you know my position, I think, that I won't buy a new Windows preinstalled machine until MS/the OEM's provide means for costless clean reinstalls--for any desired reason.
    All about doing your homework before buying.

    That's one of the things that I really liked when I bought this Dell 6430u. For $2.30 (i believe), I was able to add the Windows 8 reinstall media. I'll gladly pony up $2 for the media. I've been able to reinstall from this disc on my Dell numerous times now, with 0 issues. No keys necessary, no activation. Easy as can be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    In my case the Retail EULA does not apply. My original install was OEM and my laptop is still activated with the embedded OEM product code. I'll have to see if I can hunt up that EULA and read it.
    Try looking in C:\Windows\System32\Licenses\neutral
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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by znod View Post
    And, you know my position, I think, that I won't buy a new Windows preinstalled machine until MS/the OEM's provide means for costless clean reinstalls--for any desired reason.
    That's one of the things that I really liked when I bought this Dell 6430u. For $2.30 (i believe), I was able to add the Windows 8 reinstall media. I'll gladly pony up $2 for the media. I've been able to reinstall from this disc on my Dell numerous times now, with 0 issues. No keys necessary, no activation. Easy as can be.
    Yes, that was a great deal. Is your Dell disc a bloatware-free full-install disc? I think you indicated "yes" before. That's what I would insist on. If that's what you got, then I think that is a rarity from OEM's. I have looked at the Dell site before seeing if I could find a laptop that would fit my requirements, including allowing me to obtain a bloatware-free full-install disc, but have not been able to find this option. Of course, if I called I might get farther.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    @Znod Its all cool with me, no I didn't think you were singling me out. I often make "I want to set the record straight" comments knowing a lot of people may read a thread.
    I think I see where you're going with this. When you talk software you're referring to the actual media, the CD or DVD. To me the software is the actual installed program. In this case Windows 8. If I gave you my Windows 8 DVD and no product code the software has not actually changed hands or been transferred. You don't have my license. If someone downloads just an ISO of Windows with no product code no software has been transferred from one PC to the next. It's just install media and useless without a license to use it.
    I think the point you make is the exact pont some of us disagree on. When I started out on this topic again (using the retail EULA as my point of departure), I said "... I think it is important to distinguish, as does MS, in the retail EULA, between the software, the original media, the product key, and the COA." Similar pertinent distinctions are made in the OEM EULA. When starting to use Win8, we have to agree to the MS EULA (whether the retail or the OEM EULA--ignoring system builder) given the distinctions MS makes. So, given especially the MS distinction between the "software," the "original media," and the "product key" (machine with product key in the case of OEM), I am completely unable to argue, that I am allowed to transfer (more than once) the software (which would include a disc or an ISO IMO) without also transferring the key at the same time. To see the distinctions I mention above, please see the two sets of EULA excerpts I posted earlier. Note that the software (i.e., what's on an ISO) is what's on the original media one way or another).

    Admittedly, MS is clumsy, as it always has been, in writing EULA's. But, I think MS's intentions are clear in regard to both the retail and the OEM EULA's.
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    @Znod, at this point I'll agree to disagree and leave it at that.

    @ Theog, that leads me to _Default > ProfessionalWMC as I've since upgraded to 8 Pro and then added Media Center. The license file in that folder talks about Windows 8 Pro with Media Center.

    In any case I'm not worried about the legality of my system or the procedure I used to install Windows 8 on it. It's legally activated and passes WGA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    @Znod, at this point I'll agree to disagree and leave it at that.

    In any case I'm not worried about the legality of my system or the procedure I used to install Windows 8 on it. It's legally activated and passes WGA.
    Cool by me. I too am not concerned about what you did. I actually am not overly concerned about any of it. Just trying to get the EULA implications straight. But, certainly, we can disagree on those.
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    Licenses.zip

    computer preinstalled with Microsoft Windows 8 Pro.

    Quote Originally Posted by Microsoft OEM
    Can I downgrade the software? Instead of using the Windows 8 Pro software, you may use one of the following earlier versions: Windows 7 Professional or Windows Vista Business.

    Can I transfer the software to another user? You may transfer the software directly to another user, only with the licensed computer. The transfer must include the software, proof of purchase, and, if provided with the computer, an authentic Windows label such as the certificate of authenticity label, including the product key. You may not keep any copies of the software or any earlier version. Before any permitted transfer, the other party must agree that this agreement applies to the transfer and use of the software.
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    Thanks Theog, I'll have a look see at that latter.
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