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W8-created recovery disk restore back to resized system?

  1. #11


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    Quote Originally Posted by znod View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    I am in a very similar situation. I have two SSD drives I plan on installing in my laptop. I'm waiting for a drive caddy for the second drive bay to arrive. I'm thinking you can use the Recovery drive, mine is a 16 GB thumb drive, to reinstall Windows. You do a Reset and it uses the install.wim file that's on it. It "should" restore it back to factory condition. I'm not sure what happens if you try it on a blank drive but at some point I may find out. I also have the option of cloning from one drive to the other. One of my Crucial drives came with a transfer kit. At this point I think I'm going to try the transfer kit first. If that fails I'll boot from my Recovery drive and try a reset. I also have an image I created with the Windows 7 File Recovery utility. If none of that works I'll do a clean install.
    When you say "Recovery drive" above, are you talking about using this tutorial: Recovery Drive - Create with USB Flash Drive in Windows 8. Or, does ASUS give instructions for creating a recovery drive (USB) as apparently Lenovo does? I am interested in the ASUS procedure. Please see this thread (post #3 is where I mention ASU): Anticipating Dual Boot with Blue with Safety Net.
    That is what I did, using the "copy the contents of the recovery partition to the recovery drive. The manual for my ASUS laptop was out of date, basically written for Windows 7. Eventually it was pointed out to me that the instructions were way at the back of the Windows 8 user manual that also came with the Laptop. This manual mainly dealt with how to use Windows 8 so I only read the first couple of pages and put it aside. This a thread I started on it. New ASUS laptop has no recovery disk utlity!

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    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    Screenshot from a ASUS manual for Pre-Install Windows 8.

    Attachment 18758

    Problem is, it is for Windows 7.
    Thanks very much theog. Very helpful even though part related to Win7--perhaps only. I have had some frustration trying to gather sufficient pertinent info from the ASUS site. FYI, I just deleted my post where I mentioned ASUS because I realized that I had misinterpreted alphanumeric.

    I am sure you would do extremely well whatever, but, personally, I am finding the whole OEM-preinstalled-Win8/How-Can-I-Get-Done-What-I-Want?/Predicting-What-Will-Happen-If-I-Do-It combination to be stultifying and inertia producing. Fortunately, for MS and the OEM's, the vast majority of consumer computer purchasers are happy if they can just get a computer that doesn't break, one way or another, before a reasonable useful life has been reached. And, for me, too bad I currently am not interested in building another computer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by znod View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    I am in a very similar situation. I have two SSD drives I plan on installing in my laptop. I'm waiting for a drive caddy for the second drive bay to arrive. I'm thinking you can use the Recovery drive, mine is a 16 GB thumb drive, to reinstall Windows. You do a Reset and it uses the install.wim file that's on it. It "should" restore it back to factory condition. I'm not sure what happens if you try it on a blank drive but at some point I may find out. I also have the option of cloning from one drive to the other. One of my Crucial drives came with a transfer kit. At this point I think I'm going to try the transfer kit first. If that fails I'll boot from my Recovery drive and try a reset. I also have an image I created with the Windows 7 File Recovery utility. If none of that works I'll do a clean install.
    When you say "Recovery drive" above, are you talking about using this tutorial: Recovery Drive - Create with USB Flash Drive in Windows 8. Or, does ASUS give instructions for creating a recovery drive (USB) as apparently Lenovo does? I am interested in the ASUS procedure. Please see this thread (post #3 is where I mention ASU): Anticipating Dual Boot with Blue with Safety Net.
    That is what I did, using the "copy the contents of the recovery partition to the recovery drive. The manual for my ASUS laptop was out of date, basically written for Windows 7. Eventually it was pointed out to me that the instructions were way at the back of the Windows 8 user manual that also came with the Laptop. This manual mainly dealt with how to use Windows 8 so I only read the first couple of pages and put it aside. This a thread I started on it. New ASUS laptop has no recovery disk utlity!
    Thanks very much alphanumeric. Given what you have to say, I am extremely glad you apparently were replying when I deleted the post quoted above. I deleted it because I had misinterpreted something you said. Your information is very useful to me--and consistent with what theog had to say about ASUS information. I will look at the thread you started; seems very pertinent to me.

    Edit: Just read through your thread quickly. All very interesting--at least if one might entertain buying an ASUS laptop. My reaction went from "good grief" to, well, an ASUS laptop might be workable. I just keep coming back to the idea that if I got one, then I'd just give up on the factory install and use the system builder software. Under the criteria I set up for me, in Anticipating Dual Boot with Blue with Safety Net, I'd insist on having just one drive (i.e., no hybrids or HDD's with "helper" SSD's. Do you think I am on a reasonable track here? Also, I noted that you were planning on installing only the ASUS utilities you like--which would apply to me too. Where I want to go eventually is to have a dual boot with Blue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by znod View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    Screenshot from a ASUS manual for Pre-Install Windows 8.

    Attachment 18758

    Problem is, it is for Windows 7.
    Thanks very much theog. Very helpful even though part related to Win7--perhaps only. I have had some frustration trying to gather sufficient pertinent info from the ASUS site. FYI, I just deleted my post where I mentioned ASUS because I realized that I had misinterpreted alphanumeric.

    I am sure you would do extremely well whatever, but, personally, I am finding the whole OEM-preinstalled-Win8/How-Can-I-Get-Done-What-I-Want?/Predicting-What-Will-Happen-If-I-Do-It combination to be stultifying and inertia producing. Fortunately, for MS and the OEM's, the vast majority of consumer computer purchasers are happy if they can just get a computer that doesn't break, one way or another, before a reasonable useful life has been reached. And, for me, too bad I currently am not interested in building another computer.
    That procedure listed in the screenshot does not work on my ASUS Windows 8 Laptop. I get a totally different menu. It's all mentioned in the thread I linked to. I haven't tried to do a factory recovery yet. I have plans to try it just before I switch to my SSD drives. I'm just waiting on a part for my second drive bay from ASUS.
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    Znod, the quote from Brink's tutorial is actually:

    A recovery USB flash drive cannot be used to install Windows 8 unless this is an OEM PC that came with Windows 8 preinstalled, and you checked the Copy contents from the recovery partition to the recovery drive box at step 5 below.
    Maybe you caught it later in the thread, but I did not see that reference.

    If you look at the Help and Support section for "Recovery Media", then select "Create the Recovery drive", there is some information about the OEM Recovery Partition. It mentions if you want to remove the Recovery partition on the Drive, you have that option.

    So I will think, although I cannot confirm, the Recovery media made in Windows 8, if the OEM install files are copied, will restore the system to factory specs. And this is what the ASUS manual indicates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saltgrass View Post
    Znod, the quote from Brink's tutorial is actually:

    A recovery USB flash drive cannot be used to install Windows 8 unless this is an OEM PC that came with Windows 8 preinstalled, and you checked the Copy contents from the recovery partition to the recovery drive box at step 5 below.
    Maybe you caught it later in the thread, but I did not see that reference.

    If you look at the Help and Support section for "Recovery Media", then select "Create the Recovery drive", there is some information about the OEM Recovery Partition. It mentions if you want to remove the Recovery partition on the Drive, you have that option.

    So I will think, although I cannot confirm, the Recovery media made in Windows 8, if the OEM install files are copied, will restore the system to factory specs. And this is what the ASUS manual indicates.
    That's the way I read it, my recovery drive was almost 16 GB. There is an install.wim file on their that I assume is the factory image. Doing a Reset will do the factory restore. Like I said earlier though, I haven't actually tested it to see if it works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saltgrass View Post
    Maybe you caught it later in the thread, but I did not see that reference.
    The tutorial was just updated this evening due in part due to my prodding with that thread. Thanks...
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    I'd just like to add, contrary to what was mentioned in znod's deleted post, Lenovo's built-in recovery software, One Key Recovery (OKR) has been updated to version 8 for Windows 8 pre-installed systems. And, it is a huge step backwards, as there is no longer an option to create bootable restore media (DVDs or USB disk) that you could boot from and restore the entire disk back to the factory fresh condition. It can now only create restore images. Lenovo now wants up $60 for a set of DVDs that are shipped to you that would set up the entire hard drive once again. Apparently, for those who have good negotiating skills, some have gotten them shipped for much less, but YMMV. Perhaps Lenovo hasn't figured out a good way to have OKR create UEFI compatible disks in time before OKR v8 needed to be created and that it may be updated to include this ability in the future.
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  9. #19


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    Windows 8 on a UEFI system seems to have put a kink in the recovery media utilities that used to work on Windows 7. For example the manual that came with my ASUS laptop tells you to run the AI Recovery Burner application from the desktop to create your recovery DVD. The only problem is its not there on a Windows 8 system because its not compatible. The real instructions are hidden in the back of the Windows 8 User Guide that is also bundled with the laptop. You have to read though the whole manual or look over the whole appendix to find it. I'd be more than happy to just ditch the whole shemozzle and do a clean install but I don't have any Windows 8 install media. None that I trust 100% anyway. I'm also not in a big hurry to go out and buy an off the shelf copy just to get a DVD. I "think" I'm covered if my Windows 8 install goes south but I hope I don't have to find out the hard way.
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  10. #20


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    So, what have you done so far? Have you created the recovery drive + copy contents of recovery partition?

    I just completed mine and it boots fine. Now, it's clear what function would be need to restore to the factory system and that is the "reset my PC" function. I didn't actually push the button to determine what happens, but I'm curious what would happen on a system with a "clean install" (minus bloat) with no recovery partition to regain added space. The question is, would the "reset my PC" function automatically grab the contents off the USB recovery drive and restore that (OEM version including bloat) while wiping partitions and resizing them, OR would the system be restored back to the "clean" state version, just as would be done on a non-OEM system? So many IF's here.
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