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  1. #11


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    This has been ongoing frustration for me since I bought Win 8 Pro on Jan 20th. Never in my life had trouble upgrading or installing Windows before. And I realized today that the free Win 8 Media pack product key that I got from Microsoft weeks ago is no longer valid. It expired Jan 31st.

    I'm glad I found a forum finally where people are actually knowledgeable and helpful! Thanks guys.

    If I do a totally clean install, do I have to then first install Win 7, and then Win 8 Pro on top of it? And if so, wouldn't that just take me back to where I was a couple days ago? Maybe not? ......Or can I just clean install Win 8 Pro?

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  2. #12


    Quote Originally Posted by jonnboy1976 View Post
    This has been ongoing frustration for me since I bought Win 8 Pro on Jan 20th. Never in my life had trouble upgrading or installing Windows before. And I realized today that the free Win 8 Media pack product key that I got from Microsoft weeks ago is no longer valid. It expired Jan 31st.

    I'm glad I found a forum finally where people are actually knowledgeable and helpful! Thanks guys.

    If I do a totally clean install, do I have to then first install Win 7, and then Win 8 Pro on top of it? And if so, wouldn't that just take me back to where I was a couple days ago? Maybe not? ......Or can I just clean install Win 8 Pro?
    You may want to look at this:
    Clean Install with Windows 8 Upgrade
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  3. #13


    Quote Originally Posted by jonnboy1976 View Post
    If I do a totally clean install, do I have to then first install Win 7, and then Win 8 Pro on top of it? And if so, wouldn't that just take me back to where I was a couple days ago? Maybe not? ......Or can I just clean install Win 8 Pro?
    The Windows 8 Pro Upgrade process must recognize a valid installation of at least XPSP3 (or higher) to progress. However, even if your current Windows 7 installation is corrupted (due to several Win 8 upgrade attempts), you may still be able to get through a clean install (as long as the Win 8 Pro upgrade process can verify the Win 7 installation is legitimate).
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  4. #14


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    Quote Originally Posted by norepli View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by znod View Post
    I think you are right in essentially what you say for a variety of reasons. I think OEM preinstalls suck. A problem is that OEM's don't make it easy for one to reinstall cleanly (i.e., a clean install disc typically is not provided--one has to buy a second license). But, personally, if I bought an OEM PC, then the first thing I would do is buy MS system builder software (using the personal-use license option) and obliterate my OEM's installation. I'd just factor the cost of the software that would render me out from under my OEM's thumb into the cost of the computer.
    He should still be able to do this with the Win 8 Pro upgrade disk as long as he has a legit copy of Win 7 installed; yes?
    I should have added that I don't want to be under MS's thumb either--to the extent possible. Part of being under MS's thumb is having to do a refresh in order to activate after doing a clean reinstall (not talking about moving to Pro)--but an actual clean reinstall of Pro, for example. I tend to reinstall frequently, for one reason or another, so I'd still want/buy the system builder software to put both MS and my OEM as far back in my rear-view mirror as possible.

    On your question, yes, I think you are right about the "primo" clean installation of the Pro Pack. But, while undoubtedly acceptable to him, he might have to use the refresh procedure to activate.

    To do a truly "primo" (i.e., optimized) clean install, note that no OS will be installed prior to installation. In this regard, I have used the following procedure, under BIOS, inserting the steps or trying to restart to my HDD after using diskpart (which, of course, failed) and then restarting to the installer.

    1. Start up to your Windows 8 upgrade install DVD (or flash drive). Run the Diskpart command using command prompt.
    2. Do the first 4 steps here: SSD / HD : Optimize for Windows Reinstallation on the disk on which Windows 8 is to be reinstalled, presumably Disk 0 in your case. Use the clean all command (not clean command) as used in the snips. Don't know why clean all is repeated in step 3; ignore the repetition. The clean all command writes zero to disc and leaves the cleaned drive having only unallocated space. Execution of this command takes considerable time, but leaves nothing on the drive--including no traces of a prior OS--whether it was an OS qualifying for upgrade or Windows 8, itself.
    4. Follow the steps in Clean Install - Windows 8.
    5. Check out the "Note" in step 8 of the above tutorial. I recommend having the 350 MB System Reserved Partition. At this point, your disk will have only unallocated space having used Diskpart/clean all--which is what you want.
    6. Win 8 may not be activated at this point. If not, then activate using the refresh option in Clean Install with Windows 8 Upgrade.
    Last edited by znod; 25 Feb 2013 at 09:56.
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  5. #15


    Quote Originally Posted by znod View Post
    On your question, yes, I think you are right about the "primo" clean installation of the Pro Pack. But, while undoubtedly acceptable to him, he probably would have to use the refresh procedure to activate.
    Hi znod,

    I'm sure you know much more about the clean install process than I; however, FYI, When I did my Win 8 Pro upgrade from XPSP3, the key was recognized and the installation was activated. Now, when I went to do a clean install of Win 8 Pro (after having upgraded successfully), I took the full format route, and the key was still recognized and the installation was (again) activated, without the need for a refresh (or any additional actions). So, I guess my question is "Was I just lucky?"

    Thanks,

    norepli
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  6. #16


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    I can't say why some have to use the refresh procedure and some do not. I have seen others say the same as you. Using the steps I described above I had to use the refresh procedure in clean installing Win8 over a prior clean installation of Win8.

    Oh, and don't confuse me with one of those that knows a great deal about installing. I am learning, learning, learning, ....
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  7. #17


    Quote Originally Posted by znod View Post
    I can't say why some have to use the refresh procedure and some do not. I have seen others say the same as you. Using the steps I described above I had to use the refresh procedure in clean installing Win8 over a prior clean installation of Win8.
    That's good to know... thank you!
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  8. #18


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    windows 7 ultimate sp1


    Thanks guys very much for your help!
    Just to be clear before I attempt your instructions above, I want to completely wipe my hard drive clean and then install win 8 pro? I'd been told (or read) before that win 8 pro had to be installed on a system that already had a windows OS currently installed. ??
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  9. #19


    NO, NO, NO! You want to do a clean install, and part of that process will be to format the hard drive (which essentially wipes the hard drive clean for you); however, this process will only work "IF" you have a valid installation (XPSP3 or higher) resident on the hard drive.
    Last edited by norepli; 24 Feb 2013 at 23:26.
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  10. #20


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    Both see my post 14 above.
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