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ESD-TO-ISO Won't Work in Win8 Pro: Try It 4 Me?

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    ESD-TO-ISO Won't Work in Win8 Pro: Try It 4 Me?


    To the extent you need clarification concerning my request below, please read from about post #35 in this thread to the point where the discussion provides sufficient illumination.

    Briefly, ESD-TO-ISO works on pre-Win8 installations. I have been unable to get it to work from Win8 Pro (i.e., it will not produce an ISO from ESD files on my installation). Having it work from Win8 Pro would be a good thing since one might need to create a 64-bit ISO with UEFI support prior to reinstalling Win8 Pro. I can't tell if the not-working-from-Win8 Pro phenomenon is idiosyncratic to my machine or not.

    I am hoping to persuade a few others to try using ESD-TO-ISO from their Win8 Pro installations to see whether or not it works. I would greatly appreciate your help. You can get ESD-TO-ISO via option 2 in Windows 8 Upgrade ISO - Download or Create. If you don't have your ESD files, then one way to get them would to be to use option 1 in the tutorial.

    If it won't work for your, then conjectures about why not would be appreciated. As indicated, all help greatly appreciated.

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    The other thread is rather long, and many assertions are made, so I cannot cover them all. Maybe some of these statements will help.

    A 32 bit download will not do UEFI.. Microsoft does not allow it.

    You have to download a 64 bit using a 64 bit machine.

    The normal utility in the download to create an .iso file will not produce the two boot images needed for both MBR and UEFI installs of x64 files, unless the situation has been corrected.

    If you have the x64 files in an ESD folder, the utility SIW2 posted will create a UEFI bootable DVD, although not the same as a purchased one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saltgrass View Post
    The other thread is rather long, and many assertions are made, so I cannot cover them all. Maybe some of these statements will help.

    A 32 bit download will not do UEFI.. Microsoft does not allow it. Handled.

    You have to download a 64 bit using a 64 bit machine. Handled.

    The normal utility in the download to create an .iso file will not produce the two boot images needed for both MBR and UEFI installs of x64 files, unless the situation has been corrected. Could be; good point. I will try it and get back later today. I downloaded ESD-TO-ISO from some thread--either the one I linked above or one referenced in it. Will have to use it on other 64-bit Win7 machine I have. On this machine, the version I have been using works--adds UEFI support using ESD files where the downloaded ISO did not have it--64-bit, of course.

    If you have the x64 files in an ESD folder, the utility SIW2 posted will create a UEFI bootable DVD, although not the same as a purchased one. Where did he post it? As indicated, I have done what you mentioned on 64-bit Win7 machine. Disc may not be exactly the same as a purchased one, but it wouldn't matter. How do they differ?
    Yes, that thread is too darn long. Thank you for your help. See above inserts. Everything that you mentioned is handled--except whether or not the tutorial linked above has been updated. As said, I will check that out later today. This discussion will serve as a warning in for those wanting to help--that the update has not been made, and they may have to get the app through the thread I linked.

    How about trying what I asked--on 64-bit Win8 Pro? Which apparently you are running. Maybe you have done so, but, if so, then not indicated above. Your help greatly appreciated.
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    The esd download contains the installation files in an install.esd.

    The official Technet/MSDN iso's contain install.wim.

    I don't have a purchased dvd, but it may contain an install.wim.

    To many people it won't make any difference.

    If you want to service the installation image - you would need the install.wim.

    You don't get that if you did the esd download.

    ESD-TO-ISO.exe should be fine from within win 8. Try extracting it and the bin folder that goes with it directly onto your Drive. Run it as administrator.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    The esd download contains the installation files in an install.esd. I am confused. Are you talking about the ESD download I linked above? I tried this one, but it would not produce an ISO from ESD files on my 64-bit Win7.

    The official Technet/MSDN iso's contain install.wim. Can I see that by looking at my DVD made from my Technet ISO? And, see below.

    I don't have a purchased dvd, but it may contain an install.wim. I have the DVD set that can be purchased when using the migration assistant. I don't see install.wim on the 64-bit DVD, but then maybe I don't know where/how to find. I am set to view all the hidden files. Where would I find it?

    Superficially, the DVD made from my Technet ISO and the one mentioned above appear to be identical.

    To many people it won't make any difference. Why would it matter to anyone?

    If you want to service the installation image - you would need the install.wim. Not sure what you mean by service .... And, even if I did, I wouldn't know how to service it.

    You don't get that if you did the esd download. Confused here because two possible ESD downloads have been mentioned on this thread. Are all the ESD downloads from our forum the same? Here is what Saltgrass said in regard to my link to ESD-TO-ISO given in my first post: "The normal utility in the download to create an .iso file will not produce the two boot images needed for both MBR and UEFI installs of x64 files, unless the situation has been corrected." I suspect that all the versions now are the same (maybe never different) given that:UEFI Bootable USB Flash Drive - Create in Windows yields this warning:

    "It has been reported that using the downloaded Windows 8 upgrade ISO does not always give you an UEFI bootable USB option in the boot menu.

    If this happens to you, then use the ESD-TO-ISO.exe program created by our member Simon (SIW2)below to create an ISO that will work with UEFI. Afterwards, start this tutorial over using this new ISO instead.

    See OPTION TWO here: Windows 8 Upgrade ISO - Download or Create."


    ESD-TO-ISO.exe should be fine from within win 8. Try extracting it and the bin folder that goes with it directly onto your Drive. Run it as administrator. I am working om 55. Don't think 56 is my problem--checking it out now (no that wasn't my problem). Will choose run as administrator. Haven't had to do so from win7.
    Thanks much for the help. Please see inserts above. I am really sorry to be such a pain. Just want to figure out what is wrong.
    Last edited by znod; 09 Feb 2013 at 16:52.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Run it as administrator.
    Finally, progress! Yes, choose "run as administrator." Produced Win8X64 on my Win8 machine. Running this way was not necessary on my Win7 machine.

    Will post more here in a short while to clarify a few things. Thanks for your persistence.

    For now, still interested in:

    The official Technet/MSDN iso's contain install.wim. Can I see that by looking at my DVD made from my Technet ISO? And, see below.

    I don't have a purchased dvd, but it may contain an install.wim. I have the DVD set that can be purchased when using the migration assistant. I don't see install.wim on the 64-bit DVD, but then maybe I don't know where/how to find. I am set to view all the hidden files. Where would I find it?

    Superficially, the DVD made from my Technet ISO and the one mentioned above appear to be identical.

    To many people it won't make any difference. Why would it matter to anyone?

    If you want to service the installation image - you would need the install.wim. Not sure what you mean by service .... And, even if I did, I wouldn't know how to service it.
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    If you have the install.wim - you can add and remove packages, updates, drivers, make registry changes,change the edition etc. Customise it , if you want to call it that.

    You can't do that with install.esd.

    .esd is a compressed file - I don't know how to get at the contents.

    Look in the sources folder - scroll down till you find install.wim or install.esd.

    You had best get a copy of the free 7-zip 9.30 7-Zip / Discussion / Open Discussion:7-Zip 9.30 alpha if you want to go poking around inside iso and wim files. It will probably tell you some of the files have incorrect references - doesn't matter, just go ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    ESD-TO-ISO.exe should be fine from within win 8. Try extracting it and the bin folder that goes with it directly onto your Drive. Run it as administrator.
    Thank you for your last post. Interested will get back to you on it. For now, I am very happy with my result. But, before letting you know what all happened, I wanted to make sure I knew exactly what I did.

    First, as you know, running as administrator was the key on my Win8 machine. I am wondering if that result is idosyncratic WRT my machine. As mentioned, I did not have to use run as administrator on my Win7 machine. I took theWin8-machine created Win8X64 ISO to another Win7 machine with UEFI. Yep, this ISO, created on my Win8 machine, has UEFI support. In producing this result, I used
    the ESD-TO-ISO version (is there more than one running around?) from your post #4 in this thread: Can't find the option to burn an ISO Disk--which I linked in my first post above.

    I was curious about Saltgrass' comment above: "The normal utility in the download to create an .iso file will not produce the two boot images needed for both MBR and UEFI installs of x64 files, unless the situation has been corrected." For one thing, I was uncertain about which would not be produced. All things considered I suspected it would be the UEFI version. So, in the process of trying solve my problem, I thought I would check things out. So, I downloaded ESD-TO-ISO from Windows 8 Upgrade ISO - Download or Create, and I gave it a try. Disappointing results. I could not produce Win8X64 ISO on either machine: Win8 machine running as administrator or Win7 machine (unfortunately I don't recall also trying run as administrator on this machine, but note, as said above, I have never had to do so before). The snip below shows the result produced when trying on each machine. The snip may indicated that this version (?) of ESD-TO-ISO is looking for an ISO to burn rather than producing an ISO from the ESD files--at least on my two machines. In this regard, I think I accidentally left Win8X64 in C: once and this version of ESD-TO-ISO wanted to burn it. I took Win8X64 out of C: and got the result in the snip again.

    Now, I am wondering if there is a problem with ESD-TO-ISO from Windows 8 Upgrade ISO - Download or Create. In this regard, note, again, this warning given in UEFI Bootable USB Flash Drive - Create in Windows:

    "It has been reported that using the downloaded Windows 8 upgrade ISO does not always give you an UEFI bootable USB option in the boot menu.

    If this happens to you, then use the ESD-TO-ISO.exe program created by our member Simon (SIW2)below to create an ISO that will work with UEFI. Afterwards, start this tutorial over using this new ISO instead.

    See OPTION TWO here: Windows 8 Upgrade ISO - Download or Create."
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    If you have the install.wim - you can add and remove packages, updates, drivers, make registry changes,change the edition etc. Customise it , if you want to call it that.

    You can't do that with install.esd.

    .esd is a compressed file - I don't know how to get at the contents.

    Look in the sources folder - scroll down till you find install.wim or install.esd.

    You had best get a copy of the free 7-zip 9.30 7-Zip / Discussion / Open Discussion:7-Zip 9.30 alpha if you want to go poking around inside iso and wim files. It will probably tell you some of the files have incorrect references - doesn't matter, just go ahead.

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    I really want to thank you for your help and support. Having such support from a small, but incredibly knowledgeable, group of people here is helping me to learn a great deal.

    Let's see, OK, yes, I have been using 7z 922 beta. Will check out 7z 930 alpha and look at your link. I am interested in poking around, but who know what that might lead to. Thanks.

    You say "If you have the install.wim - you can add and remove packages, updates, drivers, make registry changes,change the edition etc. Customise it , if you want to call it that." I guess you are saying I could use install.wim to "customize" an ISO. That sounds fun. I'd like to have a znod edition.

    Ah, yes, sources, I see install.wim on two 64-bit (haven't looked at 32-bit) install DVD's:
    (1) the one made from my Technet full install 64-bit ISO (betting this disc is the same as system builder 64-bit) and
    (2) the 64-bit upgrade DVD (one of two) ordered when I used the Upgrade Assistant (betting this disk is the same as the corresponding retail upgrade DVD).

    Install.esd naturally appears on both of the upgrade install DVD's I made successfully using ESD-To-ISO--one made on one of my 64-bit Win7 machines and one made on my 64-bit Win 8 machine running as administrator.

    Never needed to "Try extracting it and the bin folder that goes with it directly onto your Drive." I assume you meant into C:. Used 7z 922 beta for my extractions.
    Last edited by znod; 09 Feb 2013 at 19:59.
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