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Will the disk burnt with Win 8 ISO install full Windows 8?

  1. #11


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    Vista and Win7


    There is no problem doing a clean install with the upgrade version. Just follow this tutorial.

    Clean Install with Windows 8 Upgrade

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  2. #12


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    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    The installer required a license key to perform the installation.
    Presumably you entered the upgrade license.

    if no qualifying older OS is present, the installation won't activate
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  3. #13


    Quote Originally Posted by znod View Post
    In post 5, you many have missed "note the use, for example, of the refresh option for activation in Clean Install with Windows 8 Upgrade."
    That was one of the "work-arounds" that I referred to in Post 8.

    You can install WIn8 to a blank hard drive using an upgrade key, but the result won't be activated, and it won't accept an upgrade key for activation. I have never tried it, but thank you for confirming that the un-activated installation can be refreshed, and the upgrade key used on that.

    I haven't seen any official statements about it, but I can't imagine that Microsoft would bless this installation technique. It could easily be used to install Win8 with an upgrade license without having an older qualifying copy of Windows in hand. Perhaps Microsoft still calls that casual piracy. (I believe that Microsoft built that backdoor by design, but I doubt that I'll ever know the truth of that.)

    Somehow I doubt that this exchange is helping ecbritz very much.
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  4. #14


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    Win7 Ult on DIY; Win8 Pro on MBP/Parallels; Win7 Ult on MBP/Boot Camp; Win7 Ult/Win8 Pro on HP


    I was finishing my post #10 when you posted. Please check it out. It deals with all your issues and more except for some of your above comments. You seem to have a problem with the "work arounds." These techniques are "allowed" by our tutorials, and that's good enough for me. Shawn speculated once that the refresh procedure is there to facilitate individuals reinstalling their Win8 systems [on non-OEM Win8 machines] in some circumstances without having activation issues. He presumes that a qualifying operating system license is forfeited upon initial installation even if not a reinstallation. See the replies in Clean Install with Windows 8 Upgrade for substantiation of these points.

    Note that, when reinstalling (or installing), no check that would prevent Win8 from being reinstalled and activated is made so I have to assume that MS is good with the procedure. Of course, MS could be unaware of the procedure, but using the procedure still does not seem to be an EULA breaker to me, even on a fresh drive, provided that, at some point, when installing Win8 a qualifying operating system license is forfeited. Additionally, if one forfeits a qualifying OS license when upgrade installing no matter how done, then no harm no foul. In general, MS is not employing a method of knowing whether a qualifying OS is forfeited even if on the machine at time of install no matter how an upgrade is done (e.g., even if installing directly via the upgrade assistant).
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  5. #15


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    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    There is no problem doing a clean install with the upgrade version. Just follow this tutorial.

    Clean Install with Windows 8 Upgrade
    That was my original point in post #2.

    "With respect to all posts to date, I thought, whether under BIOS or UEFI, he could do what he wants, under Clean Install with Windows 8 Upgrade, using an install DVD even with a completely clean drive provided that he uses a retail upgrade DVD or an ISO-created install DVD where the ISO is obtained via the upgrade-assistant process. Note the use, for example, of the refresh option for activation in Clean Install with Windows 8 Upgrade."

    I was hoping for clarification--that never came. So, I confirmed what I thought myself--as reported in post #9. While I trusted the implications of the tutorial, I wanted to try it out under a sort of extreme condition (ergo, my post #9).
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  6. #16


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    Following up on post #9, I did another upgrade disc clean install (i.e., to be precise a reinstallation). Again, I used the 64-bit upgrade install disc ordered during the the upgrade-assistant process. It should be the same as a retail 64-bit upgrade disc. In this regard, I did not use the 64-bit upgrade disc created from the ISO downloaded via the upgrade-assistant process. I did not use this disc again because I wanted to "get as far away from" the upgrade-assistant process as possible.

    1. Started up to the Win8 upgrade install DVD. Ran Diskpart using command prompt.
    2. Did, with Diskpart, the first 4 steps here: SSD / HD : Optimize for Windows Reinstallation on the disk on which Win8 is to be reinstalled--in my case--Disk 0. Used clean all command (not clean command) as used in the snips. Don't know why clean all is repeated in step 3; I ignored the repitition. The clean all command writes zero to disc and leaves the cleaned drive having only unallocated space. Execution of this command takes considerable time, but leaves nothing on the drive--including no traces of a prior OS--whether it was an OS qualifying for upgrade or Win8, itself.
    3. After exiting Diskpart, I tried to start to my HDD. No OS present. Good.
    4. Used precisely the steps in Clean Install - Windows 8 in reinstalling.
    5. Check out the "Note" in step 8 of the above tutorial. I wanted to to have the 350 MB System Reserved Partition so I was happy that my use of Diskpart had left me with only unallocated space on Disk 0 (see 2 above).
    6. Win 8 was not activated after installing.
    7. I activated by using the Refresh option in Clean Install with Windows 8 Upgrade.

    There is essentially no reason to do anything between installation and refresh since:

    Refresh your PC—Attempts to solve system problems by replacing system files without affecting user data files. Such files still should be backed up. Installed programs will have to be reinstalled except those from the Windows Store. A list of uninstalled programs is provided on desktop. You personalization settings will be maintained. System settings will be set to defaults. A Windows.old folder will be created at C:. You can delete it once you have everything you want from it. See Windows.old Folder - Delete in Windows 8.
    Last edited by znod; 07 Mar 2013 at 12:52.
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