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Before you Dual Boot - The truth about MS, OEM's & Linux

  1. #21


    Orbiting the Moon
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    Windows 10 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Two years ago I bought a $1200 Sony Vaio that could not boot live Linux CDs because of the retarded BIOS. Sony admitted that this was the case but did not want to take the thing back because "It was not designed for Linux". They gave me a 6 month run around.

    I wrote a letter to their CEO and 5 days later I had my money back. Now I will NEVER buy ANY Sony product again.
    Two years ago I bought a $1000 HP Pavilion DV7 that COULD boot live Linux CDs but had NO specific AUDIO drivers for the retarded IDT chipset. After always hearing cracks and sound distortions at boot I decided to quit because no thread anywhere had a good fix about this. The laptop was definitely NOT designed for Linux.... latest HP in general are not.

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  2. #22


    Orbiting the Moon
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    Windows 10 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Rider View Post
    theog Which OEM are you speaking of? Most don't post that information or bother to tell you they boot in UEFI or Secure Boot mode. Yours doesn't say this either, which can influence sales and tell people it may more difficult to dual boot with such a machine.
    It is all about doing your homework.


    As you have a HP, my homework on HP.

    Linux operating systems for HP Workstations

    Ubuntu on HP Models | Ubuntu

    HP's Love/Hate Relationship with Linux Continues | PCWorld
    Thanks for the link,
    There are many models specified for Linux but the Windows ones will definitely have issues.
    There is nothing for DV7 laptops... IDT Audio in general.

    The newer one I got with secure boot:
    Ubuntu on HP ENVY Pavilion dv6 | Ubuntu
    it resambles this one but mine is Windows 8 and has IDT again.
    The IDT is the only reason that I'm not gonna risk it again with the annoying sound or no sound at all.

    It was built for Windows and it will run windows but UEFI or SecureBoot are nothing compared with bad audio.
    I'll try 12.04 to see how IDT works.
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  3. #23


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    ME, XP,Vista,Win7,Win8,Win8.1


    Hi Hopachi

    Have look at Ubuntu 13.04.
    Ubuntu 13.04 Daily Builds
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  4. #24


    Germany/Florida
    Posts : 4,514
    Vista and Win7


    And how do you like this statement from Sony:" The BIOS was designed to boot from CD-ROM first and then from the installed operating system second". - Period. No way to change the boot order to boot from the USB3 or eSata ports.

    Is that what you would expect from a $1200 laptop ??
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  5. #25


    who uses a cd rom anymore?
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  6. #26


    Orbiting the Moon
    Posts : 2,975
    Windows 10 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    Hi Hopachi

    Have look at Ubuntu 13.04.
    Ubuntu 13.04 Daily Builds
    Thanks.
    I'll see one of those ISO's and see how the sound goes: still if no support for IDT, just one damn driver as in Windows then most HPs are doomed for this kind of OSes.

    These days I kinda left Ubuntu in the background and been using LXDE, Zorin and Mint since I like the classic look.
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  7. #27


    Quote Originally Posted by phantom1bc View Post
    who uses a cd rom anymore?
    That's NOT the point. You should NOT be preventing from choosing whichever boot device you want -- for whatever reasons you want. IF you don't use CDs or DVDs -- fine -- your choice; but, I DO use them and don't want MY choices taken away from me.
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  8. #28


    Germany/Florida
    Posts : 4,514
    Vista and Win7


    Exactly, and how else can you boot a live CD e.g. for recovering an image.
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  9. #29


    Posts : 14
    Windows 8.1


    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    This UEFI is a scam to protect the territory. All this talk regarding security is nonsense. MS and the OEMs are feeding on each other.

    The solution is to run Linux in virtual - e.g. VMware. Works great for me (Zorin) even running it from an external disk attached via USB.
    Running in a VM is pointless in my case, as I need Linux largely because 8.1 broke fastboot and no known working drivers exist, meaning I can only make changes to my android device in Linux now, whereas I used to be able to do so from Windows 7
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  10. #30


    USA, Idaho
    Posts : 1,062
    Win 8, (VM win7, XP, Vista)


    Quote Originally Posted by Hating8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    This UEFI is a scam to protect the territory. All this talk regarding security is nonsense. MS and the OEMs are feeding on each other.

    The solution is to run Linux in virtual - e.g. VMware. Works great for me (Zorin) even running it from an external disk attached via USB.
    Running in a VM is pointless in my case, as I need Linux largely because 8.1 broke fastboot and no known working drivers exist, meaning I can only make changes to my android device in Linux now, whereas I used to be able to do so from Windows 7
    So, what you are saying is you did something that you can't explain so it was MS fault, and not your's. . .yeah I can see that happening. . .,
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