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Windows 8 PRO - How long before activation required

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    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Windows 8 PRO - How long before activation required


    Hi there
    I want to try out one or two options on a Virtual machine with W8 Pro. There's no problem entering a product key at install time but is there anyway to stop it automatically trying to activate as soon as you have an Internet connection - and how long does it give you before requiring activation.

    W7 gave you 30 days (usually) or in rare cases 3 days.

    3 Days is fine for what I want to test -- I usually use W8 enterprise which has multiple activations / VL so it's not an issue for that product.

    Any W8 PRO users here who can give answers on this one.

    This seems a bit of a bo bo by Ms -- surely Ms knows people want to test stuff with a VM -- so why did they 1) enforce a product key at install time (except for W8 enterprise where you can enter it afterwards) and 2) seem to require immediate activation.

    (I've no problem entering a product key AFTER installation -- sometimes you just want to test if the installed VM will BOOT and then not do anything else or even if the VM will INSTALL at all).

    I'm not trying to "Pirate" anything here - but surely if you are developing or testing something you shouldn't have to keep having to activate a product until you've finalized your configuration. In any case Ms will only allow so many activations in a given period - so obviously they've forgotten about testers / developers / just plain "tinkerers" etc.

    They perhaps should create a "developers edition" license which has slightly different rules. I know if I were running a software company I'd create that sort of license since the usefulness of the product is hugely enhanced by 1000's of developers worldwide who create applications and even hardware that o9riginally people never even thought of.

    Cheers
    jimbo

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    Orbiting the Moon
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    I cannot bypass the key prompt here...

    If you need online connection for the VM then work will be more difficult in this "no-key" situation case so it seems.

    I'm not sure what the solution would be.

    I guess you're testing Hyper-V.
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    I use the 90 day for testing.
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    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    I use the 90 day for testing.
    Hi theog

    The 90 day is W8 ENTERPRISE which gives me no problems anyway as I already have a FULL legit VL (Volume License) copy.

    The scenario I want to test is specifically W8 PRO. (Similar but definitely not the same as W8 Enterprise).

    @Hopachi

    -- entering the serial number isn't actually an issue -- it's avoiding Automatic activation when I'm on the Internet on the VM . I can do enough testing in 3 days for any one set of configuration options.

    I need the VM to be online too while I'm testing so disabling the Internet isn't an answer either.

    Thanks

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    This seems a bit of a bo bo by Ms -- surely Ms knows people want to test stuff with a VM -- so why did they 1) enforce a product key at install time (except for W8 enterprise where you can enter it afterwards) and 2) seem to require immediate activation.

    (I've no problem entering a product key AFTER installation -- sometimes you just want to test if the installed VM will BOOT and then not do anything else or even if the VM will INSTALL at all).

    I'm not trying to "Pirate" anything here - but surely if you are developing or testing something you shouldn't have to keep having to activate a product until you've finalized your configuration. In any case Ms will only allow so many activations in a given period - so obviously they've forgotten about testers / developers / just plain "tinkerers" etc.

    They perhaps should create a "developers edition" license which has slightly different rules. I know if I were running a software company I'd create that sort of license since the usefulness of the product is hugely enhanced by 1000's of developers worldwide who create applications and even hardware that o9riginally people never even thought of.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Jimbo, why are you not using Technet or MSDN for this testing & developing work? Microsoft did not overlook anything but instead have 2 programs for testers and developers to test all sorts of products.
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    MSDN is what I use at work. With Windows 8 Pro, I get 5 retail keys and they will allow multiple activations. I really don't think you should HAVE to activate immediately, but it seems that is what they have done. I agree with you, 3 or 30 days for just testing, playing and poking would have been nice.

    I don't see enough difference between Pro and Enterprise to really make much of a difference for me. I use enterprise for about 95% of my testing where I don't have to input a key. For those situations where I really have to use Pro, I just burn an activation on an MSDN key. I've never run into a situation where my keys completely quit. It seems your activation #'s reset after a period of time, because I have had keys that refused to activate at one point and later were able to be used again.
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    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Hi there
    I was testing W8 PRO for a friend who doesn't have Enterprise and doesn't want to commit to buying until he's sure it works and is "fit for purpose" in his environment and "Me being nice and kind offered to trial it for him " !!!

    - and while I agree there's not a huge amount of difference there is enough. - for example Windows Media Center doesn't apply to Enterprise.

    I do have a TechNet subscription - but I can only get the W8 Enterprise as VL, Windows 8 PRO allows 3 Keys at my level of subscription -- and I really don't want to waste these by activating when I only want to test for a short time various configurations.
    I know that these can be activated a few times but it seems an unnecessary hassle.

    W8 Enterprise install anyway doesn't require a key immediately. W8 PRO does.


    Windows 7 doesn't require immediate activation -- the same should really apply to W8. Once it's tested and configuration settled then IMO it's time to activate these -- and in any case TechNet versions of software are only really intended to be used in development / testing so the whole activation thing seems rather strange anyway -- or instead of multiple keys all products on TechNet should be VL -- then Ms could also easily control "un authorized" users of VL editions.

    Anyway that's the reason for the query.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    W8 Enterprise install anyway doesn't require a key immediately. W8 PRO does.


    Windows 7 doesn't require immediate activation -- the same should really apply to W8. Once it's tested and configuration settled then IMO it's time to activate these -- and in any case TechNet versions of software are only really intended to be used in development / testing so the whole activation thing seems rather strange anyway -- or instead of multiple keys all products on TechNet should be VL -- then Ms could also easily control "un authorized" users of VL editions.
    Yeah, I think the instant authentication is to help mitigate against piracy by not giving you time in the OS to come up with a method to circumvent it.

    I totally know where you are coming from. For the types of things I test, enterprise works ok. MS should come up with some type of "proof of concept" license. It lets you install and test for something like 7 days...and then it simply self destructs. No chance to activate, etc. Once you know your proof of concept is fine, they grab and use a real license.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    I do have a TechNet subscription - but I can only get the W8 Enterprise as VL, Windows 8 PRO allows 3 Keys at my level of subscription -- and I really don't want to waste these by activating when I only want to test for a short time various configurations.
    I know that these can be activated a few times but it seems an unnecessary hassle.

    W8 Enterprise install anyway doesn't require a key immediately. W8 PRO does.

    Windows 7 doesn't require immediate activation -- the same should really apply to W8. Once it's tested and configuration settled then IMO it's time to activate these -- and in any case TechNet versions of software are only really intended to be used in development / testing so the whole activation thing seems rather strange anyway -- or instead of multiple keys all products on TechNet should be VL -- then Ms could also easily control "un authorized" users of VL editions
    jimbo
    Below is a response I recently received from Microsoft concerning the number of activations allowed per license key. I have read that the same rule applies to Windows 8.

    Thank you for contacting the TechNet subscriptions team in regards to your key inquiry.

    I understand the importance of the information that you are requesting.

    Windows 7 and Office keys can be activated up to 10 times on different computers and up to 50 in one machine. Please keep in mind that making changes to a computer's hardware will cause the key to recognize it as a different computer.

    Thank you
    for your interest in the TechNet program.


    If there is anything else I can do for you, or you have any additional questions or comments, please feel free to let me know. You can reply directly to this email, or to speak to us by phone, please call 800-344-2121. We are available Monday through Friday, from 5:30AM to 5:30PM, Pacific. Thank you for contacting Microsoft. I look forward to hearing from you soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    W8 Enterprise install anyway doesn't require a key immediately. W8 PRO does.


    Windows 7 doesn't require immediate activation -- the same should really apply to W8. Once it's tested and configuration settled then IMO it's time to activate these -- and in any case TechNet versions of software are only really intended to be used in development / testing so the whole activation thing seems rather strange anyway -- or instead of multiple keys all products on TechNet should be VL -- then Ms could also easily control "un authorized" users of VL editions.
    Yeah, I think the instant authentication is to help mitigate against piracy by not giving you time in the OS to come up with a method to circumvent it.

    I totally know where you are coming from. For the types of things I test, enterprise works ok. MS should come up with some type of "proof of concept" license. It lets you install and test for something like 7 days...and then it simply self destructs. No chance to activate, etc. Once you know your proof of concept is fine, they grab and use a real license.
    We do... It's called MSDN.

    Also, VL is only for the Enterprise SKU so you will absolutely need a key for PRO. Since you can run through activation multiple times, you shouldn't have a problem. The PRO SKU should be available for you on MSDN/TechNet.
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