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Windows 8 PRO - How long before activation required

  1. #11


    Portsmouth Hants
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    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Is there any way to block Microsoft activation server using either a hosts file, firewall port blocking, or proxy between your VM and the internet? There is plenty of information how to avoid blocking of activation and validation due to these causes.

    When you try to activate Office programs over the Internet, you receive an error message

    ports 80, 443 etc.

    Ports That Are Used by Windows Product Activation Oleksiy Gayda's Tech Blog: Tips: Windows activation firewall rules

    I don't know if any grace period after rearming is possible with Windows 8 Pro, but there are still 1000 rearms in the Windows 8 Pro upgrade download, just like there were in the Release Preview.

    Of course circumventing Activation and Validation of your software is a violation of the EULA, so there's probably good reason not to go along that path.

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  2. #12


    Lynnwood, WA
    Posts : 173
    Windows 8, Windows 7


    Quote Originally Posted by fafhrd View Post
    Is there any way to block Microsoft activation server using either a hosts file, firewall port blocking, or proxy between your VM and the internet? There is plenty of information how to avoid blocking of activation and validation due to these causes.

    When you try to activate Office programs over the Internet, you receive an error message

    ports 80, 443 etc.

    Ports That Are Used by Windows Product Activation Oleksiy Gayda's Tech Blog: Tips: Windows activation firewall rules

    I don't know if any grace period after rearming is possible with Windows 8 Pro, but there are still 1000 rearms in the Windows 8 Pro upgrade download, just like there were in the Release Preview.
    You can block ports all day but that won't help you skip the prompt in the install process unless you start hacking up the installer...
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  3. #13


    Portsmouth Hants
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    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    I am not sure which prompt is being referred to - this one?
    Click image for larger version

    You do not need to be online to install Windows 8.
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  4. #14


    Hafnarfjörður IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Quote Originally Posted by 1Engineer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    I do have a TechNet subscription - but I can only get the W8 Enterprise as VL, Windows 8 PRO allows 3 Keys at my level of subscription -- and I really don't want to waste these by activating when I only want to test for a short time various configurations.
    I know that these can be activated a few times but it seems an unnecessary hassle.

    W8 Enterprise install anyway doesn't require a key immediately. W8 PRO does.

    Windows 7 doesn't require immediate activation -- the same should really apply to W8. Once it's tested and configuration settled then IMO it's time to activate these -- and in any case TechNet versions of software are only really intended to be used in development / testing so the whole activation thing seems rather strange anyway -- or instead of multiple keys all products on TechNet should be VL -- then Ms could also easily control "un authorized" users of VL editions
    jimbo
    Below is a response I recently received from Microsoft concerning the number of activations allowed per license key. I have read that the same rule applies to Windows 8.

    Thank you for contacting the TechNet subscriptions team in regards to your key inquiry.

    I understand the importance of the information that you are requesting.

    Windows 7 and Office keys can be activated up to 10 times on different computers and up to 50 in one machine. Please keep in mind that making changes to a computer's hardware will cause the key to recognize it as a different computer.

    Thank you
    for your interest in the TechNet program.


    If there is anything else I can do for you, or you have any additional questions or comments, please feel free to let me know. You can reply directly to this email, or to speak to us by phone, please call 800-344-2121. We are available Monday through Friday, from 5:30AM to 5:30PM, Pacific. Thank you for contacting Microsoft. I look forward to hearing from you soon.
    Hi there.
    Thanks for the info --

    I like pparks1 idea though -- 7 days and then "Self destruct" -- this would work fine -- also the POC idea is fine -- that's basically what I wanted for my friend -- test it in the configuration he wanted to use - and then if it was OK he'd buy the license.

    I can envision a huge number of cases where even on the same machine a software developer might want to try all sorts of hardware / different CPU's etc etc -- especially if they were developing gaming type software.

    In the gaming development environment the 10 activations might quickly run out especially if you were testing your game on a mobo replacing it with various CPU's and graphic cards to ascertain the games performance - whereas if the program could be used for a few days before activation the developer wouldn't have a problem.

    (And before we get the inevitable bovine reply -- if you were a gaming software developer your company would have a VL license anyway -- maybe if you work for a well established company -- but what if you were an individual or a "start up" where - especially in these times with Banks not lending anything except to those who don't need a loan anyway) you might as I said be an individual or a "start up" where every cent counts and you certainly couldn't afford a VL license.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  5. #15


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    I was testing W8 PRO for a friend who doesn't have Enterprise and doesn't want to commit to buying until he's sure it works and is "fit for purpose" in his environment and "Me being nice and kind offered to trial it for him " !!!

    - and while I agree there's not a huge amount of difference there is enough. - for example Windows Media Center doesn't apply to Enterprise.

    I do have a TechNet subscription - but I can only get the W8 Enterprise as VL, Windows 8 PRO allows 3 Keys at my level of subscription -- and I really don't want to waste these by activating when I only want to test for a short time various configurations.
    I know that these can be activated a few times but it seems an unnecessary hassle.

    W8 Enterprise install anyway doesn't require a key immediately. W8 PRO does.


    Windows 7 doesn't require immediate activation -- the same should really apply to W8. Once it's tested and configuration settled then IMO it's time to activate these -- and in any case TechNet versions of software are only really intended to be used in development / testing so the whole activation thing seems rather strange anyway -- or instead of multiple keys all products on TechNet should be VL -- then Ms could also easily control "un authorized" users of VL editions.

    Anyway that's the reason for the query.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    To install windows 8 pro without product key (I assume that you make Windows 8 install media on a USB drive instead of DVD)
    -Go to sources folder in the install media
    -Make a notepad file and copy this:
    [EditionID]
    Core
    [Channel]
    Retail
    [VL]
    0
    Change Core to Professional (for Windows 8 Pro)

    -save it as ei.cfg
    Last edited by MrShowdown; 31 Jan 2013 at 05:20. Reason: added Professional instead of Pro to prevent confusion.
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  6. #16


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Quote Originally Posted by MrShowdown View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    I was testing W8 PRO for a friend who doesn't have Enterprise and doesn't want to commit to buying until he's sure it works and is "fit for purpose" in his environment and "Me being nice and kind offered to trial it for him " !!!

    - and while I agree there's not a huge amount of difference there is enough. - for example Windows Media Center doesn't apply to Enterprise.

    I do have a TechNet subscription - but I can only get the W8 Enterprise as VL, Windows 8 PRO allows 3 Keys at my level of subscription -- and I really don't want to waste these by activating when I only want to test for a short time various configurations.
    I know that these can be activated a few times but it seems an unnecessary hassle.

    W8 Enterprise install anyway doesn't require a key immediately. W8 PRO does.


    Windows 7 doesn't require immediate activation -- the same should really apply to W8. Once it's tested and configuration settled then IMO it's time to activate these -- and in any case TechNet versions of software are only really intended to be used in development / testing so the whole activation thing seems rather strange anyway -- or instead of multiple keys all products on TechNet should be VL -- then Ms could also easily control "un authorized" users of VL editions.

    Anyway that's the reason for the query.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    To install windows 8 pro without product key (I assume that you make Windows 8 install media on a USB drive instead of DVD)
    -Go to sources folder in the install media
    -Make a notepad file and copy this:
    [EditionID]
    Core
    [Channel]
    Retail
    [VL]
    0
    Change Core to Professional (for Windows 8 Pro)

    -save it as ei.cfg
    Hi there
    Thanks for the info -- I'm always greatful for a bit of knowledge and I'll try that later - but what happens when you boot after installing .

    Does it boot and allow a bit of use before requiring a product key and activation - and what happens if you need the latest updates before activating - as I think Ms always checks for "Genuine Windows" which will only pass if the product is activated.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  7. #17


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrShowdown View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    I was testing W8 PRO for a friend who doesn't have Enterprise and doesn't want to commit to buying until he's sure it works and is "fit for purpose" in his environment and "Me being nice and kind offered to trial it for him " !!!

    - and while I agree there's not a huge amount of difference there is enough. - for example Windows Media Center doesn't apply to Enterprise.

    I do have a TechNet subscription - but I can only get the W8 Enterprise as VL, Windows 8 PRO allows 3 Keys at my level of subscription -- and I really don't want to waste these by activating when I only want to test for a short time various configurations.
    I know that these can be activated a few times but it seems an unnecessary hassle.

    W8 Enterprise install anyway doesn't require a key immediately. W8 PRO does.


    Windows 7 doesn't require immediate activation -- the same should really apply to W8. Once it's tested and configuration settled then IMO it's time to activate these -- and in any case TechNet versions of software are only really intended to be used in development / testing so the whole activation thing seems rather strange anyway -- or instead of multiple keys all products on TechNet should be VL -- then Ms could also easily control "un authorized" users of VL editions.

    Anyway that's the reason for the query.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    To install windows 8 pro without product key (I assume that you make Windows 8 install media on a USB drive instead of DVD)
    -Go to sources folder in the install media
    -Make a notepad file and copy this:
    [EditionID]
    Core
    [Channel]
    Retail
    [VL]
    0
    Change Core to Professional (for Windows 8 Pro)

    -save it as ei.cfg
    Hi there
    Thanks for the info -- I'm always greatful for a bit of knowledge and I'll try that later - but what happens when you boot after installing .

    Does it boot and allow a bit of use before requiring a product key and activation - and what happens if you need the latest updates before activating - as I think Ms always checks for "Genuine Windows" which will only pass if the product is activated.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    The setup will be basically the same as Windows 7, asking product key on OOBE, where you can skip it.
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  8. #18


    Hafnarfjörður IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Quote Originally Posted by MrShowdown View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrShowdown View Post

    To install windows 8 pro without product key (I assume that you make Windows 8 install media on a USB drive instead of DVD)
    -Go to sources folder in the install media
    -Make a notepad file and copy this:

    Change Core to Professional (for Windows 8 Pro)

    -save it as ei.cfg
    Hi there
    Thanks for the info -- I'm always greatful for a bit of knowledge and I'll try that later - but what happens when you boot after installing .

    Does it boot and allow a bit of use before requiring a product key and activation - and what happens if you need the latest updates before activating - as I think Ms always checks for "Genuine Windows" which will only pass if the product is activated.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    The setup will be basically the same as Windows 7, asking product key on OOBE, where you can skip it.
    Hi there.

    Not the answer to the question -- What happens on FIRST BOOT of the installed OS and what happens if you need to download and install the latest updates.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  9. #19


    First boot as usual, it will be normal just like any retail windows without a product key inserted, and it will run on 30 days grace period.

    First boot is to OOBE, where you will be asked for product key (a skip button is available), Name and password and preferences.
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  10. #20


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Quote Originally Posted by MrShowdown View Post
    First boot as usual, it will be normal just like any retail windows without a product key inserted, and it will run on 30 days grace period.

    First boot is to OOBE, where you will be asked for product key (a skip button is available), Name and password and preferences.
    Hi there
    Thanks for the info --that's what I wanted

    Cheers
    jimbo
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