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Dual Boot Issue : Upgraded Cloned Win7 to Win8

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    Dual Boot Issue : Upgraded Cloned Win7 to Win8


    I cloned my Windows 7 Pro X64 system to another HDD then upgraded the cloned system to Windows 8 Pro.
    As a result both Win7 and Win8 have the same Boot Manager Data, so I currently use the BIOS alternate boot option to select which system to boot.
    Have tried a number of "solutions" so far, but all have gone pear-shaped and each time I've had to recover both systems because these solutions have resulted in subsequent problems with booting up either system.
    Have used "BCDEDIT /ENUM /V" to list the data from both systems and included that in the attached files.

    Would welcome a safe solution that would remove the need to go via the bios options.

    Thanks in advance.
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    To use the Windows 8 upgrade install, you need to delete the Windows 7 install.


    https://www.eightforums.com/general-d...ws-8-eula.html

    Quote Originally Posted by Microsoft
    What about upgrading the software? The software covered by this agreement is an upgrade to your existing operating system software, so the upgrade replaces the original software that you are upgrading. You do not retain any rights to the original software after you have upgraded and you may not continue to use it or transfer it in any way. This agreement governs your rights to use the upgrade software and replaces the agreement for the software from which you upgraded. After you complete your upgrade, additional software will be required to playback or record certain types of media, including DVDs.
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  3. #3


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    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    To use the Windows 8 upgrade install, you need to delete the Windows 7 install.


    https://www.eightforums.com/general-d...ws-8-eula.html

    Quote Originally Posted by Microsoft
    What about upgrading the software? The software covered by this agreement is an upgrade to your existing operating system software, so the upgrade replaces the original software that you are upgrading. You do not retain any rights to the original software after you have upgraded and you may not continue to use it or transfer it in any way. This agreement governs your rights to use the upgrade software and replaces the agreement for the software from which you upgraded. After you complete your upgrade, additional software will be required to playback or record certain types of media, including DVDs.
    I purchased a full retail version of Windows 8 which gives me the choice of a fresh install or an upgrade.
    My Windows 7 system is in fact a multi-licence system which I got from the university.
    In view of that I see no issue in running both systems until I am satisfied with Windows 8.

    With all due respect, I think your response is rather pedantic and unhelpful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hairy Scot View Post
    I cloned my Windows 7 Pro X64 system to another HDD then upgraded the cloned system to Windows 8 Pro.
    As a result both Win7 and Win8 have the same Boot Manager Data, so I currently use the BIOS alternate boot option to select which system to boot.
    Have tried a number of "solutions" so far, but all have gone pear-shaped and each time I've had to recover both systems because these solutions have resulted in subsequent problems with booting up either system.
    Have used "BCDEDIT /ENUM /V" to list the data from both systems and included that in the attached files.

    Would welcome a safe solution that would remove the need to go via the bios options.

    Thanks in advance.
    If you had a full version of Windows8, there would be no need to clone Windows 7.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hairy Scot View Post
    I cloned my Windows 7 Pro X64 system to another HDD then upgraded the cloned system to Windows 8 Pro.
    As a result both Win7 and Win8 have the same Boot Manager Data, so I currently use the BIOS alternate boot option to select which system to boot.
    Have tried a number of "solutions" so far, but all have gone pear-shaped and each time I've had to recover both systems because these solutions have resulted in subsequent problems with booting up either system.
    Have used "BCDEDIT /ENUM /V" to list the data from both systems and included that in the attached files.

    Would welcome a safe solution that would remove the need to go via the bios options.

    Thanks in advance.
    If you had a full version of Windows8, there would be no need to clone Windows 7.

    There may well be no need in your eyes.
    I did do a fresh install, but then baulked at the thought of going through the pain of re-installing everything, so I decided to clone and upgrade to avoid the need to re-install all of my applications and recreate all of my settings and to ensure that I had an easily accessible fall-back in the event of problems.

    Is there something wrong in that?

    I did indeed purchase a full version of Windows 8, why would you doubt that?

    I was also under the impression that this forum was about being helpful rather than being patronising, condescending, and pedantic.

    Perghaps I should ask this question on The Seven Forum, at least the guys there are helpful.
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  6. #6


    Quote Originally Posted by Hairy Scot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    To use the Windows 8 upgrade install, you need to delete the Windows 7 install.


    https://www.eightforums.com/general-d...ws-8-eula.html

    Quote Originally Posted by Microsoft
    What about upgrading the software? The software covered by this agreement is an upgrade to your existing operating system software, so the upgrade replaces the original software that you are upgrading. You do not retain any rights to the original software after you have upgraded and you may not continue to use it or transfer it in any way. This agreement governs your rights to use the upgrade software and replaces the agreement for the software from which you upgraded. After you complete your upgrade, additional software will be required to playback or record certain types of media, including DVDs.
    I purchased a full retail version of Windows 8 which gives me the choice of a fresh install or an upgrade.
    My Windows 7 system is in fact a multi-licence system which I got from the university.
    In view of that I see no issue in running both systems until I am satisfied with Windows 8.

    With all due respect, I think your response is rather pedantic and unhelpful.
    Welcome to EightForums, Hairy Scot.

    I feel there is no need to be hostile. Theog was indeed being helpful in stating the facts. What you are doing is indeed in violation of the EULA, even though your copy of 7 is a multi-licence system as you stated wherever one gets it from. He had already stated that, of which I think you ignored and went on.

    MS is explicit in their EULA. One must eliminate the current eligible OS. Violations of the EULA is not tolerated in this forum. Period.

    May I suggest to purchase the OEM System Builder edition to dual boot with 7. This is what Theog was saying. I did so for $105. One can purchase from another online store, for the MS online store does not offer that edition at this time. They may be offering a stand alone edition soon after all the promotional campaign is finished.

    I sense you may be a college student with limited funds. If so, I understand your frustration. The prices are going up on February 1st as I understand it to be. Will your college be offering Windows 8 via multi-license?

    Again, welcome. Sincerely.
    Last edited by HippsieGypsie; 26 Jan 2013 at 17:47.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hairy Scot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    To use the Windows 8 upgrade install, you need to delete the Windows 7 install.


    https://www.eightforums.com/general-d...ws-8-eula.html
    I purchased a full retail version of Windows 8 which gives me the choice of a fresh install or an upgrade.
    My Windows 7 system is in fact a multi-licence system which I got from the university.
    In view of that I see no issue in running both systems until I am satisfied with Windows 8.

    With all due respect, I think your response is rather pedantic and unhelpful.
    Welcome to EightForums, Hairy Scot.

    I feel there is no need to be hostile. Theog was indeed being helpful in stating the facts, although I don't agree with him on the questioning of your legal copy of 8. What you are doing is indeed in violation of the EULA, even though your copy of 7 is a multi-licence system as you stated wherever one gets it from. He had already stated that, of which I think you ignored and went on.

    MS is explicit in their EULA. One must eliminate the current eligible OS. Violations of the EULA is not tolerated in this forum. Period.

    May I suggest to purchase the OEM System Builder edition to dual boot with 7. I did so for $105. One can purchase from another online store, for the MS online store does not offer that edition at this time. They may be offering a stand alone edition soon after all the promotional campaign is finished.

    Again, welcome. Sincerely.
    Soory, it was not my intention to be hostile but I just feel that it would have been just as easy to answer the question rather than point out that I perhaps should not be trying to do what I am attempting.

    Perhaps I misunderstand: is Theog suggesting that if I do a clean install of Windows 8 on a new or separate HDD and then rebuild my settings and applications that I can have a dual boot config with my existing Windows 7, but if I use the upgrade option that I cannot?
    If I install Windows 8 on a different PC do I have to stop using my Windows 7 system?
    If I am allowed to continue using Windows 7 after do a fresh install of Windows 8, either to a different PC or a different partition on the same PC and then proceed to rebuild my system to match my Windows 7 system, how does that differ from upgrading a cloned Windows 7 system using the same Windows 8 disc?

    I'm sure you can see why I might be confused.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hairy Scot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hairy Scot View Post

    I purchased a full retail version of Windows 8 which gives me the choice of a fresh install or an upgrade.
    My Windows 7 system is in fact a multi-licence system which I got from the university.
    In view of that I see no issue in running both systems until I am satisfied with Windows 8.

    With all due respect, I think your response is rather pedantic and unhelpful.
    Welcome to EightForums, Hairy Scot.

    I feel there is no need to be hostile. Theog was indeed being helpful in stating the facts, although I don't agree with him on the questioning of your legal copy of 8. What you are doing is indeed in violation of the EULA, even though your copy of 7 is a multi-licence system as you stated wherever one gets it from. He had already stated that, of which I think you ignored and went on.

    MS is explicit in their EULA. One must eliminate the current eligible OS. Violations of the EULA is not tolerated in this forum. Period.

    May I suggest to purchase the OEM System Builder edition to dual boot with 7. I did so for $105. One can purchase from another online store, for the MS online store does not offer that edition at this time. They may be offering a stand alone edition soon after all the promotional campaign is finished.

    Again, welcome. Sincerely.
    Soory, it was not my intention to be hostile but I just feel that it would have been just as easy to answer the question rather than point out that I perhaps should not be trying to do what I am attempting.

    Perhaps I misunderstand: is Theog suggesting that if I do a clean install of Windows 8 on a new or separate HDD and then rebuild my settings and applications that I can have a dual boot config with my existing Windows 7, but if I use the upgrade option that I cannot?
    If I install Windows 8 on a different PC do I have to stop using my Windows 7 system?
    If I am allowed to continue using Windows 7 after do a fresh install of Windows 8, either to a different PC or a different partition on the same PC and then proceed to rebuild my system to match my Windows 7 system, how does that differ from upgrading a cloned Windows 7 system using the same Windows 8 disc?

    I'm sure you can see why I might be confused.
    OK. Apology accepted as I'm sure Theog will too. All just a misunderstanding, especially trying to convey thoughts and ideas with type. We don't get all of the facial communication.

    I just went through the "crunch" of time in buying 8. I know prices will be going up.

    I'm sorry to say that it is in violation of the EULA to dual boot with your eligible OS 7. I know you desire to do the right thing. All I can say is that I had to shell out $105 for the 64 bit Windows 8 Pro OEM System Builder in order to dual boot with 7. After some research I found that this is the only way to be legal. I'll PM you to tell you where I got the copy from, so as not to violate forum rules. Again, Will your college be offering Windows 8 via multi-license? Would that be the way you may want to go?

    You may want to read through this thread and I'll quote myself from there:

    Cannot buy Windows 8 after using 90 day Windows 8 Evaluati

    Hello there. You're absolutely correct that the EE edition is time limited and is not an OS that qualifies for upgrade. They were explicit in explaining that before downloading. However, they did allow one to use it again for another 90 day cycle. I don't remember how that was performed. I'm not sure if they allow that any longer.

    The only edition that the MS online store offers is the upgrade whether Windows 8 or Windows 8 Pro. One must have a qualifying OS to upgrade to whether it be through Upgrade Assistant or fresh install. One cannot use the qualifying OS any longer otherwise it is in violation of the EULA.

    I ended up buying the 64 bit Windows 8 Professional OEM System Builder edition on another online store for $105 U.S. MS online store does not offer the System Builder editions. I'm going to dual boot with 7 and this is legal under the EULA of that edition. This was confirmed by MS in online chatting with a rep and his supervisor. It's also confirmed on package when I received it. A stand alone installation situation is legal also.

    Hope that helps.
    Edit: Oh poop! I just found that I cannot PM you with the info as PMing is not turned on in your profile since you haven't posted enough yet. I'll try to get an administrator to get that to you. Hang in there.
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    @HippsieGypsie

    Thanks, I'll have a look at that.

    Decided to forego the quote this time. Will take too long to page down to the bits that matter.
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    I eventually gave up on this and did a fresh install of both Win7 and Win8.
    This at least gave me the benefit of somewhat faster systems since all the accumulated crap was dropped.
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