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    Windows 8 Install Files on Windows 7


    I just got a new computer with windows 7 ultimate. I decided to go ahead and buy the windows 8 upgrade for the $14.99. So I used the upgrade adviser to purchase. I also went ahead and made a USB install disk.

    I have a couple of questions.

    1. with the upgrade adviser, I selected to save files and settings. However, from what I read, I should do a clean install. Is it too late to change for a clean install? Will I be asked again later?

    2. I have now changed my mind and want to hold off on upgrading, can I delete the ESD folder? Are there other upgrade adviser folders and files I should delete to remove it all?

    3. Since I purchased the upgrade for $14.99, if I used the USB disk to do a clean install later, do I just enter the Win 7 Key that came with the machine when I am ready to upgrade?

    4. Can I keep win 7 on this hard drive and install the upgrade on another hard drive and just swap drives in and out of the machine as I want to? This way, I can keep my win 7 as is ans slowly move to 8.

    thanks,

    Mike

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    Welcome to EightForums.

    Quote Originally Posted by rinconmike
    I just got a new computer with windows 7 ultimate. I decided to go ahead and buy the windows 8 upgrade for the $14.99. So I used the upgrade adviser to purchase. I also went ahead and made a USB install disk.

    I have a couple of questions.

    1. with the upgrade adviser, I selected to save files and settings. However, from what I read, I should do a clean install. Is it too late to change for a clean install? Will I be asked again later?

    2. I have now changed my mind and want to hold off on upgrading, can I delete the ESD folder? Are there other upgrade adviser folders and files I should delete to remove it all?
    You can a clean install anytime.

    3. Since I purchased the upgrade for $14.99, if I used the USB disk to do a clean install later, do I just enter the Win 7 Key that came with the machine when I am ready to upgrade?
    The Windows 7 key for installing Windows 7 not Windows 8.

    4. Can I keep win 7 on this hard drive and install the upgrade on another hard drive and just swap drives in and out of the machine as I want to? This way, I can keep my win 7 as is ans slowly move to 8.
    Not with the a Upgrade.

    You can do a clean install, but you need to delete the Windows 7 install.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Microsoft
    What about upgrading the software? The software covered by this agreement is an upgrade to your existing operating system software, so the upgrade replaces the original software that you are upgrading. You do not retain any rights to the original software after you have upgraded and you may not continue to use it or transfer it in any way. This agreement governs your rights to use the upgrade software and replaces the agreement for the software from which you upgraded. After you complete your upgrade, additional software will be required to playback or record certain types of media, including DVDs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rinconmike View Post
    I just got a new computer with windows 7 ultimate. I decided to go ahead and buy the windows 8 upgrade for the $14.99. So I used the upgrade adviser to purchase. I also went ahead and made a USB install disk.

    I have a couple of questions.

    1. with the upgrade adviser, I selected to save files and settings. However, from what I read, I should do a clean install. Is it too late to change for a clean install? Will I be asked again later?

    2. I have now changed my mind and want to hold off on upgrading, can I delete the ESD folder? Are there other upgrade adviser folders and files I should delete to remove it all?

    3. Since I purchased the upgrade for $14.99, if I used the USB disk to do a clean install later, do I just enter the Win 7 Key that came with the machine when I am ready to upgrade?

    4. Can I keep win 7 on this hard drive and install the upgrade on another hard drive and just swap drives in and out of the machine as I want to? This way, I can keep my win 7 as is ans slowly move to 8.

    thanks,

    Mike
    Refer to theog's post for issues I don't address. Did you get a Win8 product key when purchasing your $14.99 upgrade? If yes, then read on. Otherwise, ignore what I say. If yes, then it probably would be good for you to have the upgrade ISO. Check out option 2 in this tutorial. Still, I think you can do what is indicated here given your installer or another install medium made using the ISO (preferable under the circumstances). If you upgrade, then your Win7 installation is toast under the Win8 EULA.
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    thanks guys. I did get a windows 8 key when purchasing. I do have an extra window 7 key never used (I bought a bunch of upgrades when it came out and did not use all). When you install the Windows 8 as a clean install, will it ask for a windows 7 key to verify I have 7 or did it already do that with the upgrade advisor so if I want to go back to 7, I need to use one of my other keys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rinconmike View Post
    1. When you install the Windows 8 as a clean install, will it ask for a windows 7 key to verify I have 7 or did it already do that with the upgrade advisor

    2. ... so if I want to go back to 7, I need to use one of my other keys.
    You are very welcome.

    On 1 above: No, it won't ask. I think that the in-place installer only checks to see if you have an upgradeable piece of software on your machine and identifies it's "bitness."

    On 2 above: To use another upgrade key to reinstall Win7, I think you will need to reinstall an upgradeable earlier version of Windows. Under your circumstances, it seems to me that your would have the right to reinstall Win7 using a different upgrade product key. Actually, I am not sure it would matter which key you use, but I would use one never used before.
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    Windows 7 Ultimate


    Thanks again all. I am a little confused not only on some of the answers but also on what I may want to do.

    I just got a new laptop (Dell Precision M6700) with windows 7 ultimate to replace a defective M6500 that also had Windows 7 Ultimate. The M6500 will no longer be used so I assume I can use that windows key if I wanted to on another machine (although I do not need it now).

    I went ahead and used the windows 8 upgrade assistant on the M6700 to purchase the upgrade to 8 pro for 14.99. However, I am now not sure if I actually want to install it on the M6700. I am concerned that if I do, I will wish I never did, so that is why I asked if can I install it on another hard drive and just swap out the drives. I will not be using both 7 and 8 at the same time and if I like 8, I will stay with it. Or instead of two drives, I can image my 7, install the 8, and if I do not like 8, just go back to my image (I have Acronis True Image) - assuming 7 will still work?

    In short, is the new windows 8 key tied to the windows 7 ultimate key on the machine I ran the upgrade assistant?

    Can I use this win 8 upgrade on any windows 7 in the future? For example, if I do not decide to upgrade the M6700 to windows 8 but have another machine running win 7 pro that I want to upgrade instead?

    Once a windows 7 machine is upgraded to windows 8, does it make that windows 7 key invalid meaning that it will not work if i tried to go back?



    thanks,

    Mike
    Last edited by rinconmike; 19 Jan 2013 at 08:03.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rinconmike View Post

    1. In short, is the new windows 8 key tied to the windows 7 ultimate key on the machine I ran the upgrade assistant?

    2. Can I use this win 8 upgrade on any windows 7 in the future? For example, if I do not decide to upgrade the M6700 to windows 8 but have another machine running win 7 pro that I want to upgrade instead?

    Once a windows 7 machine is upgraded to windows 8, does it make that windows 7 key invalid meaning that it will not work if i tried to go back?

    thanks,

    Mike
    You are very welcome.

    1. No. I think that the in-place installer only checks to see if you have an upgradeable piece of software on your machine and identifies it's "bitness."

    2. Yes. It probably would be good for you to have the upgrade ISO. Check out option 2 in this tutorial. Still, I think you can do what is indicated here given your installer or another install medium made using the ISO (preferable under the circumstances, IMO). In other words, if you do what my second link indicates, then I'd create a new install medium using the ISO--just to make sure all is good.

    3. I don't think the key is made invalid, per se. Activation could be a problem. But, if you want to reinstall Win7, given another legal upgrade key, then I'd use it. If you start with 2 valid/usable upgrade keys and upgrade to Win8, then you only have one more EULA consisten upgrade install to go.
    Last edited by znod; 19 Jan 2013 at 09:50.
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    Windows 7 Ultimate


    thanks again. I did make a usb bootable and will also make a disk. I also ordered one too so I have that coming. So all that is left if I want is to delete the files in your second link.

    Also, if someone does a clean install on a new drive, how does the upgrade know you have windows 7, or would have you have install 7 first? Just curious.

    thanks,

    Mike
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    Quote Originally Posted by rinconmike
    The M6500 will no longer be used so I assume I can use that windows key if I wanted to on another machine (although I do not need it now).
    The Dell Windows 7 install can only be used on that PC.


    I just got a new laptop (Dell Precision M6700) with windows 7 ultimate to replace a defective M6500 that also had Windows 7 Ultimate.


    In short, is the new windows 8 key tied to the windows 7 ultimate key on the machine I ran the upgrade assistant?

    Can I use this win 8 upgrade on any windows 7 in the future? For example, if I do not decide to upgrade the M6700 to windows 8 but have another machine running win 7 pro that I want to upgrade instead?

    Yes, it tied to that PC.


    I went ahead and used the windows 8 upgrade assistant on the M6700 to purchase the upgrade to 8 pro for 14.99. However, I am now not sure if I actually want to install it on the M6700. I am concerned that if I do, I will wish I never did, so that is why I asked if can I install it on another hard drive and just swap out the drives. I will not be using both 7 and 8 at the same time and if I like 8, I will stay with it. Or instead of two drives, I can image my 7, install the 8, and if I do not like 8, just go back to my image (I have Acronis True Image) - assuming 7 will still work?
    NO, you most delete the Windows 7 install.


    You can do a clean install, but you need to delete the Windows 7 install.


    https://www.eightforums.com/general-d...ws-8-eula.html

    Quote Originally Posted by Microsoft
    What about upgrading the software? The software covered by this agreement is an upgrade to your existing operating system software, so the upgrade replaces the original software that you are upgrading. You do not retain any rights to the original software after you have upgraded and you may not continue to use it or transfer it in any way. This agreement governs your rights to use the upgrade software and replaces the agreement for the software from which you upgraded. After you complete your upgrade, additional software will be required to playback or record certain types of media, including DVDs.


    Once a windows 7 machine is upgraded to windows 8, does it make that windows 7 key invalid meaning that it will not work if i tried to go back?
    You can downgrade back to Windows 7.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rinconmike View Post
    thanks again. I did make a usb bootable and will also make a disk. I also ordered one too so I have that coming. So all that is left if I want is to delete the files in your second link.

    Also, if someone does a clean install on a new drive, how does the upgrade know you have windows 7, or would have you have install 7 first? Just curious.

    thanks,

    Mike
    You are very welcome. How about clarifying how many keys of all types you have (including whether Win7 or Win8), what there sources were, and how they have been used to date.
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