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  1. #11


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    Windows 7 Ultimate


    Quote Originally Posted by znod View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rinconmike View Post
    thanks again. I did make a usb bootable and will also make a disk. I also ordered one too so I have that coming. So all that is left if I want is to delete the files in your second link.

    Also, if someone does a clean install on a new drive, how does the upgrade know you have windows 7, or would have you have install 7 first? Just curious.

    thanks,

    Mike
    You are very welcome. How about clarifying how many keys of all types you have (including whether Win7 or Win8), what there sources were, and how they have been used to date.
    I have two Win 7 pro upgrade keys I never used. When win 7 came out, I bought several from microsoft site through an offer and wound up not installing two of them.

    I have a defective Dell M6500 that is no longer in use that had Win 7 Ultimate on it. I now have a M6700 with Windows 7 Ultimate on it (just delivered yesterday) and went ahead and purchased the win 8 pro upgrade through the upgrade assistant for the $14.99 on the M6700. I also ordered the DVD. I did make a bootable USB and still have the files on the M6700. I decided to do it now because the deal runs out at the end of the month (so I read) and for $14.99 I figured worth it even if I do not use it right away.

    Right now I do not want to upgrade to 8. I am just enjoying the new machine (or trying to getting it set up like the old). However, I may in the future (maybe sooner than later) put 8 on the M6700. If I could play with it on another drive, I would; however, I do not want to mess up my win 7 for now. In another forum, someone said make an image of my drive with Win 7. Install 8. If I do not like 8, just image back with 7. I am concerned that if I do that, when I image back, 7 will not work or will be deactivated since I went ahead and installed 8. If doing this image does work, I figured why would it not installing 8 on a new drive just to play with it. If I like it, keep it in. If I do not, just go back to the other drive.

    Another thought was to install it on another machine just to play with it (that has win 7 pro now) and if I like it, uninstall it, put 7 pro back on that other machine and then install on the M6700.

    A different question, is it better to do a clean install or an upgrade? Dell support said clean install is better.

    thanks,

    Mike

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  2. #12


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    Win7 Ult on DIY; Win8 Pro on MBP/Parallels; Win7 Ult on MBP/Boot Camp; Win7 Ult/Win8 Pro on HP


    OK, thanks,

    1. 2 unused Win7 upgrade keys.
    2. 1 unused Win8 upgrade key obtained via online upgrade.

    You are not running UEFI, right? Then, here is what I would do assuming you have an upgradable version of XP or Vista. I would "unplug" your Win7 install on the 6700 and then install the upgradeable XP or Vista on another drive. After doing so, I'd use the Win8 upgrade to do a clean install/upgrade of the XP or Vista install to Win8. Warning: the "bitness" of the OS's much match. Look at the note near the start of this tutorial to learn more about upgrading from XP or Vista to Win8.

    Importantly, I am assuming that you have no way to install Win7 "legally" other than via an upgrade from an earlier Win OS. If you have a "legal" other way to install Win7 on the second drive, then do so and subsequently do a clean install/upgrade of Win7 to Win8 given proper "bitness."

    Note that, if you behave consistently with the Win7 EULA (or the Win8 EULA), then you can't have two installations having the "same Win7 (or Win8) source" running at the same time. If you do what I would do successfully, then after installing Win8, "plug your Win7 install back in, and you should be able to go between the two installation by using your BIOS boot menu.
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  3. #13


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    Windows 7 Ultimate


    ok. So I can take out my current drive with win 7 ultimate on it and put it on the side. Install a 64 bit XP on another drive (I think I have one somewhere and never used that too - but maybe not. The upgrade that to windows 8?

    Right now I believe UEFI is turned off. However, in another forum, someone recommended to:

    If you're going to do a clean install you should look at turning on UEFI, UEFI fast boot, and secure boot in the BIOS. You should do this before booting the Windows 8 install media. (If you want to boot your Windows 7 install again you will need to reverse your changes).


    I am not sure what UEFU and Secure Boot does. More I need to read!!


    thanks,

    Mike


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  4. #14


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    Win7 Ult on DIY; Win8 Pro on MBP/Parallels; Win7 Ult on MBP/Boot Camp; Win7 Ult/Win8 Pro on HP


    Quote Originally Posted by rinconmike View Post
    1. So I can take out my current drive with win 7 ultimate on it and put it on the side. Install a 64 bit XP on another drive (I think I have one somewhere and never used that too - but maybe not. The upgrade that to windows 8?

    2. Right now I believe UEFI is turned off. However, in another forum, someone recommended to:

    If you're going to do a clean install you should look at turning on UEFI, UEFI fast boot, and secure boot in the BIOS. You should do this before booting the Windows 8 install media. (If you want to boot your Windows 7 install again you will need to reverse your changes).


    I am not sure what UEFU and Secure Boot does. More I need to read!!


    thanks,

    Mike


    1. Yes, but you don't have to remove the drive physically. Just "unplug" it. See the "note" part of the tutorial I linked.

    2. Read up on those things. I think you may have enough going on without trying to get involved with UEFI. You can get a start on installing under UEFI here. You need to figure out if you currently are running under UEFI. I wouldn't want to try to mix the two (UEFI and legacy BIOS); doing so with confidence is beyond me. Be happy if you get things working as "we" are hoping without getting into UEFI usage. You won't miss much not using UEFI--mainly what can be pretty much faster boot times.
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  5. #15


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    ME, XP,Vista,Win7,Win8,Win8.1


    Quote Originally Posted by znod View Post
    OK, thanks,

    1. 2 unused Win7 upgrade keys.
    2. 1 unused Win8 upgrade key obtained via online upgrade.

    You are not running UEFI, right? Then, here is what I would do assuming you have an upgradable version of XP or Vista. I would "unplug" your Win7 install on the 6700 and then install the upgradeable XP or Vista on another drive. After doing so, I'd use the Win8 upgrade to do a clean install/upgrade of the XP or Vista install to Win8. Warning: the "bitness" of the OS's much match. Look at the note near the start of this tutorial to learn more about upgrading from XP or Vista to Win8.

    Importantly, I am assuming that you have no way to install Win7 "legally" other than via an upgrade from an earlier Win OS. If you have a "legal" other way to install Win7 on the second drive, then do so and subsequently do a clean install/upgrade of Win7 to Win8 given proper "bitness."

    Note that, if you behave consistently with the Win7 EULA (or the Win8 EULA), then you can't have two installations having the "same Win7 (or Win8) source" running at the same time. If you do what I would do successfully, then after installing Win8, "plug your Win7 install back in, and you should be able to go between the two installation by using your BIOS boot menu.
    No, you can not.

    The Dell/MS 14.99 upgrade offer is for new Dell PC with Windows 7 only. Not for upgrading old installs of Win XP, Vista, Windows 7.

    Windows 8 Upgrade Offer | Dell
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  6. #16


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    Yes, he'll have to get the $39.99 upgrade pronto if he wants to do what I suggested. I kept blowing by the upgrade he actually got to get him a solution. Thanks for getting me better on target. He can save his other upgrade for the 6700 if he wants, and use the one to come on maybe another machine in the future--after eliminating its original use.
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  7. #17


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    Windows 7 Ultimate


    Out of curiosity, is it that it will not work or your just not supposed to due to the EULA.
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  8. #18


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    I don't think the forum rules support me answering that question. Sorry.
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  9. #19


    Posts : 5,592
    ME, XP,Vista,Win7,Win8,Win8.1


    There are two Upgrade Offers.

    1) The Dell/MS 14.99 upgrade offer is for new Dell PC with Windows 7 only.

    Windows 8 Upgrade Offer | Dell

    &

    2) The MS 24.99 upgrade offer for any PC with Win XP,Vista, or Windows 7.
    Upgrade to Windows 8 - Microsoft Windows
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  10. #20


    Posts : 39
    Windows 7 Ultimate


    thanks. anyway to give ms another $10 so i can install as an upgrade to xp .
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