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How to clean reinstall OEM Windows 8 (non-Pro)?

  1. #21


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    Exactly, you could hunt about, beg, borrow, whatever a proper iso and install from that .

    Complete pita. Like a lot of win 8 related stuff.

    PP was lucky to find he could get the media for a couple of bucks.

    Probably worth asking before one buys an oem machine.

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  2. #22


    and my expectation at work is that if I buy another dozen machines are so with Windows 8 pro I can use that exact same disc that I bought with the first computer on all of those machines.

    I would not be buying the 2 dollar disk again over and over. the license is on the computer it's not the media.

    whenever possible I always try to keep things legit. granted in this case I could have used an MSDN copy but instead I bought it from Dell.

    in the past getting the disk from Dell for Windows 7 was great because it would just install and not require any kind of activation I didn't have to phone activate it would just be pre activated and ready to go. and I would use that same disk in any computer that was legitimately licensed for that version of Windows from Dell.
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  3. #23


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    I've done this and it was foolproof.

    Basically, you need the reinstall media. I wonder if you can get it from an OEM reinstall media, but I kind of bet that crapevilware is with that image... Maybe.

    I'll PM you a link to this.

    Also, the license is obviously in the BIOS. This is nice because you don't need to type in the key or buy a new one or worry about that, but you need the correct media to do so.

    I did this on an ASUS laptop with Windows 8 (bloody insane by the way, it's not like you can hit F2 or F12 anymore with the UEFI BIOS, it's a process which I might be able to tell you about if your BIOS is similar), and it worked just fine. After installing, connected to the interwebs, activated and that's that.
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    Eufi bioses have caused me no issue. My primary desktop at work is running eufi on Asus board.and I have installed just fine to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by caperjack View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post

    A technet DVD and key, "could" be used to install on any computer at all, it could be installed on a tablet, it could be installed on any make/model, it could be installed in a VM.

    It could be installed on numerous machines at the same time.

    .
    this is not true .one key per install now matter how i install them ,on a hardrive or in vm ,i still have to use 2 different keys ,and i have a 4 year old technet subscription and have one computer here running one of the evaluation installs for 3 years now
    You attributed the above quote to the wrong person in your earlier post. Please fix your earlier post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Eufi bioses have caused me no issue. My primary desktop at work is running eufi on Asus board.and I have installed just fine to that.
    Do you have Secure Boot enabled? CXM? GPT hard drive partitioning? Quick/Fast boot enabled?


    Reinstalling Windows 8 on the new PCs isn't as simple as buying a motherboard with UEFI BIOS and installing Windows. There are legitimate steps involved in just figuring out how to get to a boot menu. The BIOS I worked on with that ASUS laptop had boot entries for the Windows Boot Manager, as Windows 8 brings a deeper intertwining of the OS and BIOS systems. It's again, not like Windows 7 and not like an OEM board.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Eufi bioses have caused me no issue. My primary desktop at work is running eufi on Asus board.and I have installed just fine to that.
    Do you have Secure Boot enabled? CXM? GPT hard drive partitioning? Quick/Fast boot enabled?


    Reinstalling Windows 8 on the new PCs isn't as simple as buying a motherboard with UEFI BIOS and installing Windows. There are legitimate steps involved in just figuring out how to get to a boot menu. The BIOS I worked on with that ASUS laptop had boot entries for the Windows Boot Manager, as Windows 8 brings a deeper intertwining of the OS and BIOS systems. It's again, not like Windows 7 and not like an OEM board.
    I have an Asus p8z77-vlk mobo. I think I disabled secure boot, not using gpt, have disabled quick boot, and have been able to load 7, 8 2008r2, 2012 and esxi5. I've installed from DVD, and usb. The only hassle is that to boot from usb, I have to go into bios and hit the usb boot option at bottom.

    On or Acer 5600s, I don't think these are UEFI bioses. I disabled secure boot, I enabled CSM always, I set it to boot from DVD, then removable and then Windows. I disabled quick boot so I could see the f12 boot menu. Windows 8 installed to issue.
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  8. #28


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    a. I'm not saying that Technet "should" be used for this, but I think that if you have a legit OEM license that came with your computer, and you install using Technet media, as long as you don't use the Technet key (say to upgrade from Windows 8 standard to Windows 8 Pro), I don't think you are doing something illegal.
    .................

    b. I'm sure from a legal-ese standpoint, you are correct. But I think if Microsoft knocked on your door and evaluated 2 different scenarios, it would be #2 that they go after you for, and for #1 you simply walk.

    1. You have an HP computer, and you have reinstalled your OS using a Technet DVD, but continued to use the pre-built OEM key
    2. You have 6 hand built PC's all running Windows 8 Pro with Office 2013 using Technet software and keys.


    I don't for the life of me understand why new computers do not include a recovery disc, or the ability to make a recovery disk that is strictly the OS. Some consumers would choose the system image with all of the software the way it was from the factory, while others would choose the clean route and pick only what they need. If that disc can only be used on that make/model computer, and the key is burned right into the BIOS, I don't see the piracy concerns.
    I haven't really been stressing the "legality" of the "side of the coin" you mention in a above--the side OP might or might not opt to be on. I am have been addressing the overall issue from the perspective of the one providing the software (e.g., an ISO). But, still, as mentioned/implied earlier, it is not obvious to me that an OEM license/EULA conveys the right to an individual, such as one in in a above, to use "loose" install media to reinstall on an OEM preinstalled Win8 machine. One might argue reasonably, in such a case, that MS has not been compensated for this use of the software.

    I agree with all you say in b above, including which practice MS would be more concerned about. Note, however, that, in regard to 1, the individual providing the Technet DVD (or related ISO), apparently a subscriber, would be the agreement breaker I am more interested in. And, I think it is important to recognize, as you apparently do above, that a Technet/MS/subscriber agreement has to do individually with (a) what a subscriber does with Technet-obtained software (e.g., an ISO or related DVD) and (b) what he does with Technet-obtained product keys. The software is for evaluation purposes only--and only by, or under, the auspices of a Technet subscriber. The individual directly or indirectly providing the DVD in 1 (presumably a subscriber) appears to have passed on Technet obtained software to someone apparently not under his auspices for use apparently other than evaluation. Thus, he has acted inconsistently with his Technet agreement. I simplified a little here, but have not lost generality because of my simplification.

    I think that the OEM's believe it to be in their economic best interests to withhold the freedom you and I desire from their customers. Of course, MS could provide part of the economic incentives to OEM's in this regard. Only OEM/MS customers can change the OEM/MS practices--by not buying under the OEM/MS rules.
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  9. #29


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Eufi bioses have caused me no issue. My primary desktop at work is running eufi on Asus board.and I have installed just fine to that.
    Do you have Secure Boot enabled? CXM? GPT hard drive partitioning? Quick/Fast boot enabled?


    Reinstalling Windows 8 on the new PCs isn't as simple as buying a motherboard with UEFI BIOS and installing Windows. There are legitimate steps involved in just figuring out how to get to a boot menu. The BIOS I worked on with that ASUS laptop had boot entries for the Windows Boot Manager, as Windows 8 brings a deeper intertwining of the OS and BIOS systems. It's again, not like Windows 7 and not like an OEM board.
    I have an Asus p8z77-vlk mobo. I think I disabled secure boot, not using gpt, have disabled quick boot, and have been able to load 7, 8 2008r2, 2012 and esxi5. I've installed from DVD, and usb. The only hassle is that to boot from usb, I have to go into bios and hit the usb boot option at bottom.

    On or Acer 5600s, I don't think these are UEFI bioses. I disabled secure boot, I enabled CSM always, I set it to boot from DVD, then removable and then Windows. I disabled quick boot so I could see the f12 boot menu. Windows 8 installed to issue.
    Exactly, when you work on a PC with ALL that enabled, it's like flying blind through fog. You literally can't do anything unless if you know what's up. It seems lately with laptop BIOS systems at least, you have to hold the Escape key BEFORE you hit the power button to get into the BIOS menu or to change the boot device.

    Personally, I'd rather keep all that enabled though on someone else's puter. Why? Because to the daily person, needing to go into the BIOS is LITERALLY a rarity. I doubt most people know what it is or what it does or even know how to get into it. As long as booting is faster and clean and not gritty DOS like, that's great. On my personal system, I'll take a possible hit in boot time as I'd be overclocking often or underclocking often or changing advanced settings often. But, this is different when Secure Boot and all is enabled and you have to work on it, it's annoying but it's a one time moment usually, then it goes back to a simple clean and seamless boot screen. I kind of like how the new PCs have the OEM logo showing as the boot screen, an ASUS logo from BIOS POST to picture password prompt. It's neat and clean and makes that brand stand out as a PC.

    It annoys me though when the BIOS firmware UI is still DOS looking versus the cooler and nicer graphical, mouse enabled UEFI UI.
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    Here is how my BIOS looks and my settings (I discovered that Secure Boot is enabled). This has worked flawlessly for every OS I have thrown at it so far. While Secure Boot is enabled, I've got boot devices set to UEFI and Legacy.

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