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How to clean reinstall OEM Windows 8 (non-Pro)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FuturDreamz View Post
    But both of those seem to still require purchase of a new license, when you already have a valid Windows 8 license embedded into your computer?
    You have a valid OEM product key. It would have to be used for any installation your do.

    But, as said, "to do what you want in an EULA consistent way, you need to pay the price of admission--which means that you have to buy a second product key. In this regard, there is no legitimate way to get an ISO without having or obtaining a valid product key--not including an embedded OEM product key. In this regard, I am ignoring the possibility of creating an ISO from purchased retail software--which would automatically come with a product key in the first place."

    I understand why you might think you have the right to do what you want. But, unfortunately, you did not purchase that right--presumably unknowingly like many other current OEM customers.
    Last edited by znod; 09 Mar 2013 at 14:33.

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  2. #12


    I don't see the need for anybody with a pre-built computer that comes with an OEM copy of Windows preinstalled to "need" to buy a second key if they want to reinstall the OS.

    In some cases, you can buy the media from the manufacturer. I just purchased a Dell Latitude 6430u, and for $2.03 I was able to order the Windows 8 Professional Media Kit..which is the reinstall DVD...rather than a system restore with bloatware option.

    Or as said before, any copy of the media would work and would simply re-use that key that is burned into the mobo. You would just need access to the media, through channels such as Technet, MSDN or Dreamspark or via a friend who has access through one of these programs who is willing to make an ISO available to you.

    I don't see how the media has any influence on the legitimacy of your license key.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    1. I don't see the need for anybody with a pre-built computer that comes with an OEM copy of Windows preinstalled to "need" to buy a second key if they want to reinstall the OS.

    2. In some cases, you can buy the media from the manufacturer. I just purchased a Dell Latitude 6430u, and for $2.03 I was able to order the Windows 8 Professional Media Kit..which is the reinstall DVD...rather than a system restore with bloatware option.

    3. Or as said before, any copy of the media would work and would simply re-use that key that is burned into the mobo. You would just need access to the media, through channels such as Technet, MSDN or Dreamspark or via a friend who has access through one of these programs who is willing to make an ISO available to you.

    4. I don't see how the media has any influence on the legitimacy of your license key.
    1. As indicated, I am not going to debate such issues. I fully understand why you feel as you do.

    2. No problem here. Such an agreement is between the OEM and customer. OP apparently does not have such an agreement with his OEM.

    3. Doing what you suggest is contrary to Technet user-subscription conditions. And, Technet software is for evaluation purposes only--although the evaluation period is not specifically defined.

    4. I can understand why you feel the way you do. But, I don't think that an OEM key bestows the same rights as a non-OEM key. Not going to debate this point though. I've pretty much explained my position as much as I think needed already. If we have a disagreement, then it is over the rights an OEM-key conveys. And, apparently, we disagree on the idea that a Technet ISO can be given away legitimately given a subscriber's agreement with Technet/MS.

    Personally, I'd be very happy if consumers rebelled at current MS/OEM installation practices. And, I would be very happy if OEM customers could prevail in regard to the idea that they should have access to clean and non-bloated reinstallation software.
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    Quote Originally Posted by znod View Post
    3. Doing what you suggest is contrary to Technet user-subscription conditions. And, Technet software is for evaluation purposes only--although the evaluation period is not specifically defined.
    What would be contrary to Technet would be to actually use a technet key to run on the computer in a non-evaluation environment.

    A technet DVD and key, "could" be used to install on any computer at all, it could be installed on a tablet, it could be installed on any make/model, it could be installed in a VM. It could be installed on numerous machines at the same time.

    This is NOT what I am suggesting. My approach utilizes the baked in OEM key. It's limited to that 1 piece of hardware, it cannot be moved, it cannot be transferred, it cannot be put onto anything else, it cannot be used on multiple PC's. It's for that 1 and only that 1 computer, forever.
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    I don't see anything in my Technet agreement that allows what you seem to think is allowed. I don't even have the right to use Technet software beyond an undefined evaluation period myself. I don't intend to dig into all the aspects of my Technet/MS/subscriber agreement. I'd be interested in you demonstrating your correctness in regard to what's allowed via Technet/MS/subscriber agreements though. I'd be happy to be wrong in this regard. I have no vested interest in being correct here. But, I think I am. And, I have no problem with you doing what you think is right. Shoot, stand on the corner and give away Technet ISO's if you think that doing so is consistent with Technet/MS/subscriber agreements.
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    [QUOTE=pparks1;199658]
    Quote Originally Posted by znod View Post

    A technet DVD and key, "could" be used to install on any computer at all, it could be installed on a tablet, it could be installed on any make/model, it could be installed in a VM.

    It could be installed on numerous machines at the same time.

    .
    this is not true .one key per install now matter how i install them ,on a hardrive or in vm ,i still have to use 2 different keys ,and i have a 4 year old technet subscription and have one computer here running one of the evaluation installs for 3 years now
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    Isn't the license agreement tied to the key? is there any difference in the media itself that ties a specific license to it?
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    I'm not saying that Technet "should" be used for this, but I think that if you have a legit OEM license that came with your computer, and you install using Technet media, as long as you don't use the Technet key (say to upgrade from Windows 8 standard to Windows 8 Pro), I don't think you are doing something illegal.

    I understand what you get with Technet. You get the software and you get a multi-activation key. Technically, you could install Windows 8 on 5 computers at your home, you could install 5 copies of Office 2013 on these 5 computers and you could run like this for years and years and years. It's not what you are supposed to do, but there is no doubt whatsoever that people have done just this. In my opinion, this is far more illegal and hence gaining something that you shouldn't have....as compared to simply using the disc and reusing your OEM key which is already pre-baked into your machine.

    If I go to NewEgg and I buy all of the parts to assemble a brand new machine, than of course, I will buy a Windows 8 System Builder/ Personal USE license and will not utilize my copy of Technet or MSDN for this machine. < I clearly see that as a 100% violation of the EULA for Technet/MSDN.

    I'm sure from a legal-ese standpoint, you are correct. But I think if Microsoft knocked on your door and evaluated 2 different scenarios, it would be #2 that they go after you for, and for #1 you simply walk.
    1. You have an HP computer, and you have reinstalled your OS using a Technet DVD, but continued to use the pre-built OEM key
    2. You have 6 hand built PC's all running Windows 8 Pro with Office 2013 using Technet software and keys.


    I don't for the life of me understand why new computers do not include a recovery disc, or the ability to make a recovery disk that is strictly the OS. Some consumers would choose the system image with all of the software the way it was from the factory, while others would choose the clean route and pick only what they need. If that disc can only be used on that make/model computer, and the key is burned right into the BIOS, I don't see the piracy concerns.
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    [QUOTE=caperjack;199669]
    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by znod View Post

    A technet DVD and key, "could" be used to install on any computer at all, it could be installed on a tablet, it could be installed on any make/model, it could be installed in a VM.

    It could be installed on numerous machines at the same time.

    .
    this is not true .one key per install now matter how i install them ,on a hardrive or in vm ,i still have to use 2 different keys ,and i have a 4 year old technet subscription and have one computer here running one of the evaluation installs for 3 years now
    I think your quote is broken. With Technet, the keys are multi-activation keys. You can install them and use them multiple times. You get X # of activations over a certain timeframe per key, and you get a couple of keys. From what I have found, it provides almost limitless installs and activations.

    And yes, you can run forever, but that isn't the intention of the program. It's not a pile of free software for $199. But that is how many people viewed it.
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  10. #20


    Quote Originally Posted by FuturDreamz View Post
    Isn't the license agreement tied to the key? is there any difference in the media itself that ties a specific license to it?
    This is really what I am getting at.

    If you buy a computer and want to format and reinstall, as long as you are using the same version of Windows and the OEM key that your computer came with...I don't see why you would be forced to spend money on another license.
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