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Moving pre-installed Windows 8 from HDD to SSD

  1. #61


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    For Windows 7 take a look here:
    Downgrade Windows 8 to Windows 7

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  2. #62


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    Quote Originally Posted by diesele View Post
    Thanks again. Successfully initialised sad using the command prompt. Repair or restore faq surname errors though.

    So I gave up and went to instal win 7. Now I get 'secure boot violation....invalid signature detected. Check secure boot policy in setup' FFS I can not spend my life on this and am disgusted with my simpleton go to Apple and return this Asus thoughts!
    Secureboot has to be disabled for windows 7. Go into bios. If you don't see an option to disable it, look for an option to set an administrator password. I've heard some laptops won't let you disable secureboot until an admin password is set.
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    Revisited BIOS/UEFI - this seems independently modified by which OS you are trying to install!!!??? A complete disable of secure boot now seemed possible with the WIn 7 DVD in the drive (WTF?) so disabled it and successfully installed Win 7. Even got a lovely 7.9 out of 7.9 for CPU and disk in Win Experience :-) So, as a complete system rebuild was now clearly on the cards thought I'd try to restore to the fully paid for Win 8 recover USB flash disk - ESPECIALLY as BIOS was now not in this Win 8 'spectre controlled' consumer killing secure boot mode. No go - usual 'disk locked' or 'wrong partition' errors.

    I mean, could they MAKE it any harder?!

    Huge thanks for your help and tips though - really appreciate it on this learning curve. I have long since asked for vendors help and may simply ask for my money back on this useless Farstone cloning software; They cant sell it as 'Win 8 & UEFI' compatible if MS have locked such a cloning possibility out on Asus computers. It also creates 4000k strips - not the 1024 ones an SSD needs, so might have been shite anyway...

    I just can NOT spend more time/swearwords on this -work tomor!
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    For test.
    Just cloned my test rig with uEFI, GPT, Secure Boot setup, using Paragon Backup & Recovery 12, no problems.
    Booted first time.

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    Paragon 12 has full support Windows 8 uEFI, GPT & Secure Boot.

    PARAGON Software Group - partition manager, drive backup, hard disk partitioning
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    I tried the demo vers of that Paragon app when selecting a cloning tool but it didn't work with a " "the operation 'apply changes is not available" error. Maybe a limitation on the trial - but enough to put me off risking a purchase. May revist.

    Did you use the 'migration' command in it - we users still use the term clone as that seems potentially the most successful! HA!

    Final question - what PC or motherboard?

    Final final q - I have NTFS not GPT source drive - if I didn't the Farstone ISO app may have worked?

    Thx
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  6. #66


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    I think you mean MBR.

    Pargon stuff is excellent.

    You can try the free one first and see how you go.

    I am using HDM Pro 12 - it is $100 , but you may find one of the less expensive deals will be all you need.

    There is a deal On B&R Home ( not so many partitioning functions as the B&R Suite ) right now - it comes with separately downloadable winpe boot media builder.
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    Hi Si

    The screenshot is of the free try of B&R. Worked for UEFI, GPT, Secure Boot, from Windows 8 desktop.

    Free try link:
    Paragon Backup & Recovery Home



    I use Hard Disk Manager 12 Pro.

    $100, with Windows 8 win pe, boots with Secure Boot ENABLED.
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  8. #68


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    Windows 8


    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    For test.
    Just cloned my test rig with uEFI, GPT, Secure Boot setup, using Paragon Backup & Recovery 12, no problems.
    Booted first time.

    Click image for larger version

    Paragon 12 has full support Windows 8 uEFI, GPT & Secure Boot.

    PARAGON Software Group - partition manager, drive backup, hard disk partitioning

    THEOG! IT WORKED!

    So I know you posted this awhile ago, but I hadn't tried it because I could only find the paid version. After you posted this link I found the free trial version. I installed the program, went to Disk Migration, automated everything, took out the HDD, put in the SSD, and it boot in less than 5 seconds, perfectly.

    Wow! There is a solution.

    So now what do I need to do to ensure the proper utilization of my SSD? People have talked about "alignment" and other nouns that don't mean anything to me in the computer sense. I will probably install my Samsung Magician software to see what it can do (that came with my SSD).
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  9. #69


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    Quote Originally Posted by Epoch
    So now what do I need to do to ensure the proper utilization of my SSD? People have talked about "alignment" and other nouns that don't mean anything to me in the computer sense. I will probably install my Samsung Magician software to see what it can do (that came with my SSD).
    Paragon do a alignment tool, but I believe only free with a paid version, check on the Paragon web site.
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    So I have a Lenovo Y400 with 1 TB HDD and I have been working on this for a few days. Thanks for you all of the info that everyone provided and sorry for making this so long.

    I installed a Crucial M4 256GB MSATA SSD in my laptop. I downloaded and used the free version of EaseUS ToDo Backup. I had been trying to look at various guides to migrate the OS to the SSD. You would think this would be an easier process, but guess not.

    I used the EaseUS ToDo Backup to clone a backup copy of the main HDD on an external HHD and then again to copy the entire HDD to the SSD including the recovery partitions and checked the "Optimize for SSD" option. I resized the partitions so that the Windows partiton was 200GB and the Lenovo partition was 16 GB and left all the other partitions alone. Note: You can use EaseUS Partion Master if needed to adjust the partition sizes. I used it initially, but it is not necessary if you don't have too much stuff on your drive. I did this to a new out of the box computer.

    You could probably just copy the Windows partition only to the new drive using the ToDo Backup, but I wanted the extra copies of the other partitions, just in case. It took about 20 - 30 minutes to clone to the MSATA SSD. I rebooted and removed the HDD.

    Checked the BIOS and made sure that the M4 was listed as the Boot Drive with the UEFI enabled. Computer booted to windows in lless than 15 seconds included pw entry. Only problem was that the OneKey recovery doesn't work now, but I already had created a USB recovery back up drive with the recovery partition using Windows. Alternately, I believe if you call Lenovo and tell them that the Onekey Recovery is not working they will send you the recovery discs.

    I reinstalled the HDD and set it up for storage. You can reformat the whole drive if you want the space, but I would make sure you have some way of doing the system recovery either with discs from Lenovo or a recovery drive. I think I may call Lenovo to see if I can get a set of the discs as a backup. If I a do, I might try to do a fresh install to the SSD to see if I can get the OneKey recovery working and then reformat the HDD for just storage.

    Thanks again for everyone's input.

    Just as an added note you can do all of this without removing the main HDD if you are migrating to an MSATA, but not if you are putting a new drive in place of the HDD. That would require some extra steps outlined in the link below.


    This thread also gives some good info: How to: Disk and Partition Cloning, Backup, Restoration, & Migration
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