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How to install dual OS (win 7 and win 8) using the win 8 upgrade offer

  1. #51


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    64-bit Windows 10


    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    "If you want to keep both Windows 7 and Windows 8 installed, then you would just simply need to purchase a system builder copy ($99) of Windows 8 and not an upgrade copy of Windows 8."

    You see Brink that bit right there, that's the bit I can't understand, if I've already built my machine with an OEM licence, why do I have to pay for another full licence on the same machine, I'm paying for two full licences on the same machine. Why can't I buy an upgrade do a clean install on the same machine and dual boot until such time I get sick of Windows 7.

    Then when I build a new machine I buy another full version. I think I'm still missing something but I still don't know what.
    I think that is what you missing. It's best to think of it has either a full (system builder) or upgrade license. They are not the same, and are not both full copies even though you can do a clean install with both.

    An upgrade license simply does not allow you to keep both copies installed (even a dual boot), but a system builder copy does.

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  2. #52


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    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    Quote Originally Posted by Brink View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    "If you want to keep both Windows 7 and Windows 8 installed, then you would just simply need to purchase a system builder copy ($99) of Windows 8 and not an upgrade copy of Windows 8."

    You see Brink that bit right there, that's the bit I can't understand, if I've already built my machine with an OEM licence, why do I have to pay for another full licence on the same machine, I'm paying for two full licences on the same machine. Why can't I buy an upgrade do a clean install on the same machine and dual boot until such time I get sick of Windows 7.

    Then when I build a new machine I buy another full version. I think I'm still missing something but I still don't know what.
    I think that is what you missing. It's best to think of it has either a full (system builder) or upgrade license. They are not the same, and are not both full copies even though you can do a clean install with both.

    An upgrade license simply does not allow you to keep both copies installed (even a dual boot), but a system builder copy does.
    Yeah look, I sort of understand and sort of not, but I'll accept what you're telling me. It's not so much for me that I'm trying to get an answer to this question it's more for the people that are having huge problems with their machines while upgrading, I feel sorry for them, they're asking questions as to what they can do and nobody can answer them.

    I just wish for their sake they could do a clean install and sort out the headaches later. I don't think they're trying to do anything illegal, they just want a simple clean way of doing what they want to do and we can't tell them what to do.
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  3. #53


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    Windows 8 enterprise x64


    BillWindows, you don't own your Windows, you own the right to use it as long as you fallow the rules establish by Microsoft. You like it or not it's like that.

    I have a solution for someone who want to use an Update of Windows 8 and not lost his Windows 7 in case :

    With Windows 7 you can make a System Image , so before upgrade to Windows 8, why not make a System Image on an external Hard Drive , or a Hardrive that you can't remove, and after you upgrade to 8, so if something happen, you just wipe off the Windows 8 disk and restore from your Windows 7 System Image.

    Microsoft EULA say you can't use your old 7 and an the Windows 8 Update at same time, they don't say to destroy your back up ( restore) , We do it in VM, we create a master, we clone it and use only the clone, if something happen we just make another clone, but we use only 1 at the time.
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  4. #54


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    64-bit Windows 10


    Area 66,

    That's certainly a great option to do. There's nothing wrong with creating a system image of their Windows 7 before doing the upgrade. That way they could always do a system image recovery to restore Windows 7 if they chose not to use Windows 8 anymore.
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  5. #55


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    64-bit Windows 10


    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Brink View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    "If you want to keep both Windows 7 and Windows 8 installed, then you would just simply need to purchase a system builder copy ($99) of Windows 8 and not an upgrade copy of Windows 8."

    You see Brink that bit right there, that's the bit I can't understand, if I've already built my machine with an OEM licence, why do I have to pay for another full licence on the same machine, I'm paying for two full licences on the same machine. Why can't I buy an upgrade do a clean install on the same machine and dual boot until such time I get sick of Windows 7.

    Then when I build a new machine I buy another full version. I think I'm still missing something but I still don't know what.
    I think that is what you missing. It's best to think of it has either a full (system builder) or upgrade license. They are not the same, and are not both full copies even though you can do a clean install with both.

    An upgrade license simply does not allow you to keep both copies installed (even a dual boot), but a system builder copy does.
    Yeah look, I sort of understand and sort of not, but I'll accept what you're telling me. It's not so much for me that I'm trying to get an answer to this question it's more for the people that are having huge problems with their machines while upgrading, I feel sorry for them, they're asking questions as to what they can do and nobody can answer them.

    I just wish for their sake they could do a clean install and sort out the headaches later. I don't think they're trying to do anything illegal, they just want a simple clean way of doing what they want to do and we can't tell them what to do.
    Please let us know what part you are unsure about, or relay some of their questions. We'll try our best to help.

    They certainly can do a clean install with their upgrade copy of Windows 8 if they like.
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  6. #56


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    Windows 7


    I can see why people defend one point or the other.
    The EULA states that, if I choose to buy this upgrade, MS does not want me to use Windows 7. That's the 'law' and I must follow it, that's fine, I guess.

    But why would MS do this? What's the point in forcing your users to update to a software they're unsure it'll work properly with their routine usage? Let's think about it. General population don't really care about what OS they use. They just want something that works. Windows 7 is a great OS, it wasn't like Vista, which everybody hated. For those reasons, it's not like there's a high demand for Windows 8. Then, there's the whole metro interface/no start button rage that threw off so many people. So, the only people who actually want Windows 8 are those who like have state-of-the-art software. But many of those just don't want to scrap their perfectly working Windows 7 installations. They want to do it gradually. But because of this upgrade, which force users to take the leap without the ability to retain Windows 7, Windows 8 may have less sales.

    I understand it is just an upgrade. I understand that there's System Builder licenses. But it just doesn't make sense forbidding the users to use both at the same time. It is not a car or a phone you trade in for a new one.
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  7. #57


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    Windows 7


    I have a question. If I use the COA Product Key to create a new partition (that is, the product key written on the sticker) and upgrade windows 8 from there, that would technically count as a second Windows 7, am I right?
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  8. #58


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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulBrix View Post
    I have a question. If I use the COA Product Key to create a new partition (that is, the product key written on the sticker) and upgrade windows 8 from there, that would technically count as a second Windows 7, am I right?
    NO, you would then have two installs under one license.
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  9. #59


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    Windows 7


    but the Windows 7 currently installed is different from the one written on the sticker. Aren't they supposed to be different? The SLP and COA keys?
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  10. #60


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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulBrix View Post
    but the Windows 7 currently installed is different from the one written on the sticker. Aren't they supposed to be different? The SLP and COA keys?
    The SLP and COA key are the same license.
    You still only have one windows 7 license, you need two to dual boot with Windows 8 upgrade.
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