Win7 works on Intel 915GM chipset, Win8 doesn't

gregrocker

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Won't take the Display driver so I don't get sleep, performance also buggy.

Any workarounds? Seems it should work wherever Win7 does, or am I wrong about that?

Have run Win7 on this old HP 510 lappy since it's release, fast without ever a hang. The display of course defaults to basic but it sleeps and hibernates flawlessly.
 

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The Win7 driver does NOT work -- I know, I've tried every variation and none of them work. XDPM simply does NOT work in Win8. MS removed support for it. So, the presumption that everything that works in Win7 will continue to work in Win8 is not true.
 

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Strange, reinstalled the Release Preview and I now get Hibernate but no Sleep.

This is without ANY display driver, not even Standard VGA. I try to install XP's last driver even in Compat Mode and it fouls out saying it's not supported.

However with Hibernate I'll keep 8 on 10-year old HP 510 business laptop I use to travel and stubbornly refuses to die. The only other issue was slow text typing which has also cleared up with RC.

Since I'm here let me see if I can now drag my Firefox bookmark links into a post here which keeps chasing me back to 7F: User CP - Windows 8 Forums.

Yep, same issue that nothing I can do will release the link after dragging it in. Let me try saving and editing.

Back again. Nope I can't post links here without continuiing in linkspeak. :confused: Bye, now.
 

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I am having similar problems with Windows 8 on my Shuttle SD11G5, which also has the Intel 915GM chipset. The solution mentioned below in the TechNet site does not work for me - "the driver selected for this device does not support this version of Windows". The wording is interesting - the blame is placed on the Intel driver, not Windows.

Anyhow, it looks like Intel 915GM-based computers simply are not compatible with Windows 8 (or is it the other way around?). The message is to buy a new PC, or stick to Windows XP (or Windows 7).

I, for one, am not buying a new PC...
 

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  • OS
    Windows XP
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Shuttle SD11G5
    CPU
    Pentium M
    Motherboard
    Shuttle SD11G5
    Memory
    plenty
    Graphics Card(s)
    on-board (Intel 915GM)
Well the blame is accurately stated - the 915GM driver does not support WDDM, only XPDM. XPDM driver support does not exist in Win8, and Intel did not release an updated WDDM driver (and, in fact, didn't update it for WDDM 1.0 in Vista, so I guess it's no surprise they didn't write a WDDM 1.1 for Win7 or WDDM 1.2 for Win8).
Graphics — Older Intel® graphics controllers and Microsoft Windows 7* operating system

Given Windows 8 is now fully hardware-accelerated for the UI, you can't get by with the old legacy XPDM driver subsystem anymore, because that doesn't support the things Windows 8's UI now require. Given the 945GM started showing up in mid/late 2005, and the 915G/GM was out at the beginning of 2004, that chipset predates Vista by 2 years. Unfortunately,if you bought or built a machine with the 915GM chipset after that date (and I believe that shuttle of yours originally hit the market near the end of 2005), that's simply going to need a video card upgrade to run Windows 8, or you'll have to stick with Windows 7. The minimum requirements for running Windows 8 includes a video chipset with WDDM 1.0 (at least) support:
Windows 8 system requirements - Microsoft Windows

For the record, Microsoft did not state that anything running Windows 7 would run Windows 8 - they said the hardware requirements would be the same, or lower. And in fact, running the full Windows 7 experience (accelerated desktop/Aero) did require a WDDM driver - so, basically, the hardware requirements stayed the same, minus the ability to run the unaccelerated driver set known as XPDM:
Windows 7 system requirements - Microsoft Windows
 

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    Windows 8.1 x64
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    Custom
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    Intel Core i7 4790K @ 4.5GHz
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    Asus Maximus Hero VII
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    Fractal Design Define R4
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Thank you, cluberti, for that explanation.

So, if I want to get the correct aspect ratio and resolution on the monitor with this PC with Windows 8, I need to find a cheap, WDDM 1.2 enabled, PCI Express x16 DVI graphics card....

EDIT
Done. Found and installed a GeForce 8400GS, and it works.
 
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    Windows XP
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Shuttle SD11G5
    CPU
    Pentium M
    Motherboard
    Shuttle SD11G5
    Memory
    plenty
    Graphics Card(s)
    on-board (Intel 915GM)
Intel Support

I'm having the same issue with Intel 965 Express Chipset. Now that I see this, I will get a dedicated graphic card because I know that it will still be supported after my PC gets old. My laptop is only five or six years old.
:p
 
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    Windows 8 RTM Enterprise
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Dell 1525 Laptop
I'm having the same issue with Intel 965 Express Chipset. Now that I see this, I will get a dedicated graphic card because I know that it will still be supported after my PC gets old. My laptop is only five or six years old.
:p

Do you hope to add a discrete graphics card to a laptop?

Most laptops don't permit that, but a small minority do. Good luck.
 

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search for this version intel 910g 6.14.10.4299 and try it like in the video it works for me
 

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  • OS
    Windows 7
    System Manufacturer/Model
    fujitsu siemens
    CPU
    intel celeron g550
    Motherboard
    fujitsu siemens d-2250a
    Memory
    2Gb DDR1 Dual-channel
    Graphics Card(s)
    intel 915g
WDDM driver is required for DWM. It was this way since Vista. The only difference is, Vista and 7 had the ability to render the desktop in the traditional GDI window painting method (non-composited) which relied on the CPU, however it was impossible to render many effects this way without issues. Windows obscured by other windows had to be completely redrawn when exposed.

With DWM, which powered Aero in Vista/7, the screen is rendered in a 3D space, composing each window as a separate texture, so to speak. Windows were handled separately in layers, keeping their contents in memory even when covered up by other windows. This requires GPU resources to perform efficiently, however, but it can be faster than the GDI method when decent graphics acceleration is present. Because of its nature, it allowed effects such as true transparency inside the window's space as well as thumbnails being generated for each window for the taskbar and overlaying windows didn't cause unnecessary redraw cycles. If no WDDM driver was present, Vista/7 had the GDI mode to fall back on (which displays the 'basic' or 'classic' themes).

In Windows 8, the GDI method of drawing the interface was completely removed. This is because the DWM composition is required for the entire Metro side to operate. Metro was designed around GPU acceleration technology. You got a lot of layering going on, screen-sized animations going on, and even apps that utilize 3D resources. Even though the Aero theme and its transparent features were removed, the compositing technology is still there even on the desktop. This means you can't get away with installing a Windows XP driver and having a desktop (albeit an old basic one like you did in Vista/7). If no WDDM driver is present, MS just uses the default VESA/VGA driver which is now coded to composite the UI using your CPU (software rendering). VESA/VGA driver is generally limited to lower 4:3 resolutions, such as 1024x768.

Because of this, you cannot rely on GPUs that are too old to have WDDM support. Even if a WDDM driver were made, the lack of texture memory or horsepower in these older integrated solutions would cause Windows 8's entire UI to perform terribly, if at all.
 

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    Windows 8.1 Pro 64-Bit, Ubuntu 13.04 64-Bit
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    Intel Core i7 950 @ 3ghz
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    Asus Sabertooth X58
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I think there should be a driver for Intel 915GM/910 in Windows 8, it is just required to somebody modify the latest driver.

Any other help??


WDDM driver is required for DWM. It was this way since Vista. The only difference is, Vista and 7 had the ability to render the desktop in the traditional GDI window painting method (non-composited) which relied on the CPU, however it was impossible to render many effects this way without issues. Windows obscured by other windows had to be completely redrawn when exposed.

With DWM, which powered Aero in Vista/7, the screen is rendered in a 3D space, composing each window as a separate texture, so to speak. Windows were handled separately in layers, keeping their contents in memory even when covered up by other windows. This requires GPU resources to perform efficiently, however, but it can be faster than the GDI method when decent graphics acceleration is present. Because of its nature, it allowed effects such as true transparency inside the window's space as well as thumbnails being generated for each window for the taskbar and overlaying windows didn't cause unnecessary redraw cycles. If no WDDM driver was present, Vista/7 had the GDI mode to fall back on (which displays the 'basic' or 'classic' themes).

In Windows 8, the GDI method of drawing the interface was completely removed. This is because the DWM composition is required for the entire Metro side to operate. Metro was designed around GPU acceleration technology. You got a lot of layering going on, screen-sized animations going on, and even apps that utilize 3D resources. Even though the Aero theme and its transparent features were removed, the compositing technology is still there even on the desktop. This means you can't get away with installing a Windows XP driver and having a desktop (albeit an old basic one like you did in Vista/7). If no WDDM driver is present, MS just uses the default VESA/VGA driver which is now coded to composite the UI using your CPU (software rendering). VESA/VGA driver is generally limited to lower 4:3 resolutions, such as 1024x768.

Because of this, you cannot rely on GPUs that are too old to have WDDM support. Even if a WDDM driver were made, the lack of texture memory or horsepower in these older integrated solutions would cause Windows 8's entire UI to perform terribly, if at all.
 

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  • OS
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I have downloaded the same driver(as the link of download was in the video), But in Windows 8 it is not working!!

Any other solution?

search for this version intel 910g 6.14.10.4299 and try it like in the video it works for me

To parapharse Lazure's posting:

No.

There never will be.

You need newer, supported hardware.

Give up.
 

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I have downloaded the same driver(as the link of download was in the video), But in Windows 8 it is not working!!

Any other solution?

search for this version intel 910g 6.14.10.4299 and try it like in the video it works for me

To parapharse Lazure's posting:

No.

There never will be.

You need newer, supported hardware.

Give up.

This is unfortunately correct. The hardware in this laptop is physically incapable of meeting Windows 8's demands for rendering the interface. You can't toast 12 slices of bread simultaneously in a toaster with only 2 slots. It's just not going to work out.

Your only solution would be to get a new machine, be it a newer laptop or even a desktop system. Or you could wait and get the surface pro when it comes out. You can find a reasonable machine that performs well for average tasks for $400 USD if you look in the right places, at the right times.

Now for anyone else trying to breathe Windows 8 into an old DESKTOP machine, if the old machine has an AGP or PCI-E slot, a video card could be installed that supports WDDM; though this is much harder for AGP. If it has PCI-E, then likely the integrated solution would already be Windows 8-capable, but I opted to mention it just in case.
 

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    Asus Sabertooth X58
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My nearly-10-year-old HP 510 beach laptop runs 7 on it without hesitation with only a gig of RAM. Keep a clean boot.
 

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This is unfortunately correct. The hardware in this laptop is physically incapable of meeting Windows 8's demands for rendering the interface. You can't toast 12 slices of bread simultaneously in a toaster with only 2 slots. It's just not going to work out.

Based on what? I'm running Win8 on a 915gm for over a year now, just stuck in a lousy non-native resolution. There is nothing I'm doing that the adapter is "physically incapable" of handling. I just need a frickin driver to get the resolution support.

Not supporting this either on Intel's or MS side of the fence was a serious shaft to the customer.
 

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