Windows 8 and 8.1 Forums


Is Intel embedded GPU the same as a graphics card?

  1. #11


    Simply, is the GPU embedded in recent Intel i-series chips basically the same thing as having a decent independent graphics card?
    No

    Having the GPU in the CPU is just one way of implementing integrated graphics (there are others) and software will see it as such. It will only match the performance of a relatively low end discrete graphics card.

      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  2. #12


    AMD, APU processors for FM2 socket (Ax.xxxx), generally have better processor imbedded graphics than Intel counterparts. They even have similar designation as discrete GPUs from AMD but even they don't have same performance as discrete ones. There's a bit of silver cloud lining there, some of combinations can be made to work together in a kind of Crossfire mode and so boost performance of either one. AMD A10-7770K (Kaveri) should work (in theory) with HD7770 based video cards.
      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  3. #13


    Posts : 103
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64


    Quote Originally Posted by LMiller7 View Post
    Simply, is the GPU embedded in recent Intel i-series chips basically the same thing as having a decent independent graphics card?
    No

    Having the GPU in the CPU is just one way of implementing integrated graphics (there are others) and software will see it as such. It will only match the performance of a relatively low end discrete graphics card.
    Some games don't require a high-end graphics card. So the question is about games that require a graphics card. Not necessarily high-end graphics card. Even games that require low-end card still need a graphics card to be physically installed or else they won't run.
      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  4. #14


    Hafnarfjörður IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi there.

    OK I assume the OP simply wants to know is embedded GPU same a s graphics card. The Older way was to have a separate ROM on the MOBO which wasn't the answer wanted. These days with miniaturisation and lower power requirements this functionality can now be built into a SINGLE "Chip" - the processor. It functions totally as a "Classic GPU" but of course the price paid for integrating all this into a single chip is that it's likely not to be as functional as a fully fledged external discrete specialized GPU which has its own RAM (usually).

    For non gamers the video quality is usually good enough these days - whether it will be OK for 4K movies we'll have to see but certainly for 90% of Non gamers out there this is perfectly acceptable.

    Whether or not the "integrated" GPU has its own RAM or shares RAM with the OS is dependant on how the GPU hardware is integrated with the CPU -- INTEL probably can supply decent technical specs on that if you are interested. Video producers as well as gamers might still prefer dedicated Video cards as well as others needing hard core 3-D effects etc but for the mainstream buying an external GPU card is as pointless as using separate audio cards too.

    As for some games requiring a separate GPU in order to run could be true but it saddens me to see programs being written that try and get BEHIND the OS rather than use API's and provided hooks - as this can often cause hideous problems when people upgrade their hardware or the OS.

    In general it's NOT good programming practice to directly (not via OS API's) interrogate the hardware -- that's a classic way VIRUSES can gain admittance to your system. I know it's done to squeeze the ultimate performance out of the machine but it's still bad programming practice. The video drivers should all integrate correctly with the hardware using proper published interfaces - but I don't suppose that will ever happen. !!!

    In an Ideal world the game could boot up running it's own OS -- but of course that would increase the cost of the game far too much to be a sensible suggestion !!!

    Final point -- If you've got a 64 bit capable machine then the RAM addressing in the GPU doesn't have to be dependent on the amount installed in the basic machine. The GPU will handle its own RAM and addressing schemes - can be 2 /4 GB or whatever even when running a 32 Bit OS the GPU can do all its own memory address translations so the normal 4GB max addressing for a 32 bit OS isn't a restriction. This point about separate GPU RAM isn't normally mentioned but it is important on 32 bit systems. However these days fewer and fewer people run games on 32 bit OS'es - and all modern machines (or even those several years old) are 64 bit capable.

    Cheers
    jimbo
      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  5. #15


    Posts : 103
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64


    No the question was about the GPU in the processor.

    Like certain games have requirements for graphics card. Even if it's a low-end graphics card. So it wouldn't run on a normal computer like my friend has an old Core 2 Quad. But newer generation Intel processors have GPU integrated in them. So maybe such games that require an independent vid card will see treat the integrated graphics in the Intel chip as one.

    Some game system requirements specify low-end graphics card for minimum requirements. Such as NVIDIA GeForce 260. But it still means you would need to install a graphics card. Meaning, a Core 2 Quad alone still won't be able to play it. You would need to install a low-end DX-9,10, or 11 graphics card. The question was about newer Intel chips that have the GPU intergrated. If the game would see it as a graphics card so you wouldn't have to install one.
      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  6. #16


    United States
    Posts : 3,093
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit


    Quote Originally Posted by crimson View Post
    No the question was about the GPU in the processor.

    Like certain games have requirements for graphics card. Even if it's a low-end graphics card. So it wouldn't run on a normal computer like my friend has an old Core 2 Quad. But newer generation Intel processors have GPU integrated in them. So maybe such games that require an independent vid card will see treat the integrated graphics in the Intel chip as one.

    Some game system requirements specify low-end graphics card for minimum requirements. Such as NVIDIA GeForce 260. But it still means you would need to install a graphics card. Meaning, a Core 2 Quad alone still won't be able to play it. You would need to install a low-end DX-9,10, or 11 graphics card. The question was about newer Intel chips that have the GPU intergrated. If the game would see it as a graphics card so you wouldn't have to install one.
    Crimson, the bottom line is nobody knows the answer for every game out there. It is a try and see kind of thing. One of the reasons they publish demos. The thing is, if a publisher says dedicated card and doesn't say it may work on something like HD4000 integrated graphics, then I wouldn't count on it working.
      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  7. #17


    Posts : 52
    Windows 8.1 Pro x64


    Is an Intel CPU with Integrated graphics the same with a APU from AMD? In the way that the cores/chip/etc. is found on the processor itself?
      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  8. #18


    Quote Originally Posted by crimson View Post
    No the question was about the GPU in the processor.

    Like certain games have requirements for graphics card. Even if it's a low-end graphics card. So it wouldn't run on a normal computer like my friend has an old Core 2 Quad. But newer generation Intel processors have GPU integrated in them. So maybe such games that require an independent vid card will see treat the integrated graphics in the Intel chip as one.

    Some game system requirements specify low-end graphics card for minimum requirements. Such as NVIDIA GeForce 260. But it still means you would need to install a graphics card. Meaning, a Core 2 Quad alone still won't be able to play it. You would need to install a low-end DX-9,10, or 11 graphics card. The question was about newer Intel chips that have the GPU intergrated. If the game would see it as a graphics card so you wouldn't have to install one.
    An Intel with integrated GPU, or one from AMD, regardless of it's capabilities or performance, is still integrated graphics. It will not be detected as a discrete graphics card because it isn't. Will such graphics be adequate for any specific game? A difficult question for which there are no easy answers.

    Games evaluate the graphics capabilities of a computer in a wide variety of ways. There are no firm standards for this, only guidelines and they are frequently ignored. Some do this intelligently, others do not. Some games evaluate integrated graphics on the basis of merit, others look only for a discrete card. If a game wants a discrete card it will fail if none is present, no matter how powerful the integrated graphics might be.

    If it works, great. If it doesn't, it doesn't.
      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  9. #19


    United States
    Posts : 3,093
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit


    I think the horse is dead.
      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  10. #20


    Posts : 52
    Windows 8.1 Pro x64


    Quote Originally Posted by LMiller7 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by crimson View Post
    No the question was about the GPU in the processor.

    Like certain games have requirements for graphics card. Even if it's a low-end graphics card. So it wouldn't run on a normal computer like my friend has an old Core 2 Quad. But newer generation Intel processors have GPU integrated in them. So maybe such games that require an independent vid card will see treat the integrated graphics in the Intel chip as one.

    Some game system requirements specify low-end graphics card for minimum requirements. Such as NVIDIA GeForce 260. But it still means you would need to install a graphics card. Meaning, a Core 2 Quad alone still won't be able to play it. You would need to install a low-end DX-9,10, or 11 graphics card. The question was about newer Intel chips that have the GPU intergrated. If the game would see it as a graphics card so you wouldn't have to install one.
    An Intel with integrated GPU, or one from AMD, regardless of it's capabilities or performance, is still integrated graphics. It will not be detected as a discrete graphics card because it isn't. Will such graphics be adequate for any specific game? A difficult question for which there are no easy answers.

    Games evaluate the graphics capabilities of a computer in a wide variety of ways. There are no firm standards for this, only guidelines and they are frequently ignored. Some do this intelligently, others do not. Some games evaluate integrated graphics on the basis of merit, others look only for a discrete card. If a game wants a discrete card it will fail if none is present, no matter how powerful the integrated graphics might be.

    If it works, great. If it doesn't, it doesn't.
    To add, the only way to know if a GPU or Integrated Graphics works or is playable with a game is to test it and measure its FPS. This also isnt the end because it also depends on other factors like specific hardware configuration, video settings and more. A higher memory buffer, shaders, DX compatibility or etc. of a GPU/Integrated Graphics does not mean better gaming performance in any game. ACTUAL TESTS DOES
      My System SpecsSystem Spec

Page 2 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast
Is Intel embedded GPU the same as a graphics card?
Related Threads
terran219 wanted a modified Intel Series 4 graphics driver for his Windows 8 Consumer Preview. So, I'm going to just leave this here for those who want it. Enjoy. I've Also uploaded the Intel HD First Generation Driver for windows 8. It's a modified windows 7 driver. If you have one of these...
HELP! With Graphics card in Graphic Cards
I bought a new computer with the Nvidia GForce 730 and my computer shows that I have the Intel HD Graphics 4600 and Nvidia Gforce 730 and i think pc using not nvidia but intel hd, becouse a lot of games i have a lag pls help :)
Ever since I got Windows 8.1 and played League of Legends sometime in the game I will get a BSOD. This is info from the .dmp file. 102913-38484-01.dmp 10/29/2013 6:17:39 PM DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL 0x000000d1 00000000`00000028 00000000`00000002 00000000`00000000...
Hi All I Have An HP G62 With Amd And Intel Graphics Card I've Installed Windows 8 Then I Had A Problem :cry: Only Amd Card Is Working But Intel Isnt And I Cant Install The Driver "Minimum Requirements" ANY HELP PLEAASE !
Which graphics card is better? NVIDIA GeForce 8400M GS or Intel® HD Graphics 4000? I know the NVIDIA GeForce 8400M GS is over 7 years old but its still a dedicated graphics card. So is it faster and better then the Intel® HD Graphics 4000? I hope not because I just ordered a new laptop with the...
Hello All, Today I installed Windows 8 Pro with Media Centre in my laptop HP dv 2519tu. It was a clean installation. After instaaling laptop doesn't recognized Intel Onboard Graphics Card. When I right click on desktop it doesn't graphic properties in option. I think it may be driver problem. ...
I have Intel 82915G Graphics Card and Windows 7 Aero effects didn't work on my card. But I tried Windows 8 Consumer Preview and it was shocking to see that all the effects work on my graphics card without installing any drivers. Proof: 3518 3519 3520 3521 3522
Eight Forums Android App Eight Forums IOS App Follow us on Facebook