Sony kills Xbox One -where now for MS

Well done SONY!!!

Maybe that will help show these mega corps that users value their liberty.

Will MS take that on board for their operating systems? Only if there is a viable alternative which does not seek to control and manipulate the users.

It might be coming.

$399 Playstation4 Pre-Order


[video=youtube;g8qJuhCOmcs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=g8qJuhCOmcs[/video]


Final nail in the coffin for Xbox One ?

[video=youtube;xOwA46785pk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xOwA46785pk[/video]

(Thanks to WishMaster for the heads up )
 
I really don't care about the price or legacy game support, as i'm not a gamer. This will be my first console purchase. I like the integration with ATT Uverse and Windows 8 and eventually WP8 for games since i'm a 920 user.

$100 more is not an object as it comes with Kinect 2.0. The integration with everything MS is an easy choice for me.

The $100 to me isn't the end of the world either.

But potentially having to have it connected to the Internet, at least once every 24 hours to play even a single player game might be. I've had outages with PC versions of Battlefield 3 and Diablo 3 due to Internet problems. It sucks when you cannot play a single player local game because of an internet outage, or in my case, an inability from my cable model to get to the servers for Diablo III and Battlefield 3.

And I'm still waiting to see what happens first hand with the used games and rental games and such.

I'm hoping this turns out to be a good console because I've definitely gotten my monies worth out of my Xbox360.
 

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Personally, I wouldn't even consider purchasing one after reading about the restrictive practices employed by MS..

Anyway, the PC is the best gaming machine around, by several warp-factors.

Always has been, and will continue to be for a long time.

Even longer if this sort of BS is the 'future' of console-gaming.


Wenda.
 

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Yep. Restrictive practices rule it out for me. I wouldn't take it if they were giving it away.

If MS want to attack Google for being manipulative - then MS have to walk the walk. That applies across the board.

Not sure how many understand what is going or how dangerous it is.

Yahoo have given up even bothering to disguise it. They come right out and tell users to sell their soul to the devil.

Directly in their mail sign up page:

Yahoo!’s automated systems scan and analyse all email, IM, and other communications content.

Astonishing.
 

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Personally, I wouldn't even consider purchasing one after reading about the restrictive practices employed by MS..

Anyway, the PC is the best gaming machine around, by several warp-factors.

Always has been, and will continue to be for a long time.

Even longer if this sort of BS is the 'future' of console-gaming.


Wenda.

While I agree that PC gaming is better, for many reasons it's not ideal for me. #1 it's costly #2 it's a constant driver update fest #3 My PC is big and bulky #4 It has to be maintained and protected from viruses/malware/etc.

I game on the PC and probably always will. But my PC is downstairs in my basement, to game there walls me off from my family. I guess I just like the simplicity of popping in a new game, not having to worry if my system can handle it, and playing in the living room and being able to talk to my wife and kids or hear my kids when they are outside playing.
 

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Personally, I wouldn't even consider purchasing one after reading about the restrictive practices employed by MS..

Anyway, the PC is the best gaming machine around, by several warp-factors.

Always has been, and will continue to be for a long time.

Even longer if this sort of BS is the 'future' of console-gaming.


Wenda.

Yes, MS seems to have surpassed even Apple with these X-Bocks Restrictions. I would only want an X-Bloghx for the challenge of defeating the foog out of those restrictions.
 

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While I agree that PC gaming is better, for many reasons it's not ideal for me. #1 it's costly #2 it's a constant driver update fest #3 My PC is big and bulky #4 It has to be maintained and protected from viruses/malware/etc.

I game on the PC and probably always will. But my PC is downstairs in my basement, to game there walls me off from my family. I guess I just like the simplicity of popping in a new game, not having to worry if my system can handle it, and playing in the living room and being able to talk to my wife and kids or hear my kids when they are outside playing.

Well, I would prefer to use the PC for Gaming but for one thing - It is not a deadizombiecated Gaming Machine, unless it has nothing on it but STEAM.

My Complaints against using a PC to play Mechwarrior 2, Quakes 2 through 3, Doom 3 and Unreal Tournament are the fact that the machines cannot keep up with the CODE those games were written in- I would WANT a dedicated gaming console for that.

But I HATE Gaming Consoles, because I use a JOYSTICK! a 3-Axis Joystick with forced Feedback. I loathe and Despise ALL portable game controllers, I use Joystick and Keyboard!
 

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If your pc cannot keep up with games you need a new pc bud.

Saying that a console will be better is just plain wrong. It's a weak sister to a pc and always will be.
 

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While I agree that PC gaming is better, for many reasons it's not ideal for me. #1 it's costly #2 it's a constant driver update fest #3 My PC is big and bulky #4 It has to be maintained and protected from viruses/malware/etc.

I game on the PC and probably always will. But my PC is downstairs in my basement, to game there walls me off from my family. I guess I just like the simplicity of popping in a new game, not having to worry if my system can handle it, and playing in the living room and being able to talk to my wife and kids or hear my kids when they are outside playing.

Well, I would prefer to use the PC for Gaming but for one thing - It is not a deadizombiecated Gaming Machine, unless it has nothing on it but STEAM.

My Complaints against using a PC to play Mechwarrior 2, Quakes 2 through 3, Doom 3 and Unreal Tournament are the fact that the machines cannot keep up with the CODE those games were written in- I would WANT a dedicated gaming console for that.

But I HATE Gaming Consoles, because I use a JOYSTICK! a 3-Axis Joystick with forced Feedback. I loathe and Despise ALL portable game controllers, I use Joystick and Keyboard!

I used to be all keyboard and mouse, but have gotten alright with the controller. For my racing games, I actually prefer the controller over my steering wheels.
 

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PS4!!!!
 

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Doom 3 created a ruckus because it was designed to strain the fastest systems of the time in was made. It runs great now...

I've always found that regardless of how fact my PCs were, PC Games always choke a little when running them on a PC, but not to the point where it prevents me from scoring in Capture the Flag, which was the game I always preferred. I was particularly good at Unreal Tournament CTF. levels. And the Sniper Gun in that game, which the Joystick was great for, I set the zooming controls on the side buttons of the stick.

I've tried various game Controllers, the one I was able to use the best was the one on the Dreamscape machine, it 3as designed well. But the games I wanted never were released for that.
 

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I use a force-feedback wheel/pedal combo for driving games, a PS2-style twin-shock controller for driving and platform/puzzle games, and the Mouse/keyboard combo for everything else.

I've yet to find a game that'll choke on this laptop.


Wenda.
 

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Xbox you have to have internet access and no game swapping and restricted sales of pre owned games

PS4 you don't need internet and you can do what you want with your games

I don't do games or own either (zx spectrum anyone) but i think PS4 will win, until a hack or chip is created to bypass Xbox internet demand and gaming restrictions
 

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Still rather PC game. But from a console point of view it is the case.

Althoug the will Vita might struggle if they don't help it.
 

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3rd party developers have been whining about revenue loss due to used game sales for years, they want a piece of the pie or restrictions to force new game sales. MS responded by incorporating a system to allow 3rd party developers to have some control of that. Regardless of what Sony says people shouldn't be naïve about DRM on their platform, my guess is that 3rd party developers would prefer to make games for the system that offers them more control so more exclusives on Xbox One for top tier games. The way I see it eventually SONY is going to have to do the same.
 

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I'm happy to see Sony coming hard with the ps4. $100 to many is going to be the deal breaker.

Specs overall look better on the ps4, faster ram, better video card. Just the fear of DRM will sway some people. Lots will boil down to the used game market and what really happens. And major props to Sony for making the console region free. And no internet check in required..Just out off principal I'm all for that.

I'm currently an owner of both a ps3 and a 360. I play all my multiplayer games on the 360, I play most single player games on the 360. I use the ps3 for blu Ray, for Netflix and for home streaming. I like the simplified ps3 menu much better. Without a doubt, I love the 360 controller better.
Ahhh.... It stops being a dealbreaker to me.

The Xbox One includes a better gaming platform, a SUPERIOR Kinect sensor than the first gen included which will actually enabled game developers to utilize that than before when it wasn't included, and Windows Azure cloud computing.

In a handful of years down the road when current console graphics are being somewhat limited, the question will again rise of will there be new console hardware? This whole debacle again. But that will be limited to Playstations, because the Xbox One is future proofed for a few generations with the Azure cloud service and providing the potential of THREE Xbox Ones in terms of graphical computing. Where the PS 4 on paper sounds like a better gaming rig, that will only last for so long whereas the One has cloud offloading to make the console last a good genuine eight years at least without being a tired system.

The Kinect sensor is what makes the deal better, because the Xbox also has TV capabilities of which will be perfect to use voice commands for to switch from TV to a game on the fly. Since it is now included in ALL systems, game developers have a better incentive to use it than they did before where it was just an addon accessory. So things like sports games can become MUCH more interactive and FPS games can become more interactive as well through hand gesturing as well as speech features.

And since obviously it has been known that more hours have been logged for the first time ever with consoles outside of gaming (video playback), it makes perfect sense to adapt the console for such. The Xbox One does this MUCH better. It's a multi-entertainment system, not just a simple console. It's almost like a HTPC.

This is one of the most short sighted and asinine things I've heard. It's because of consumers like you who lap this stuff up that MS is even attempting to do this.

You claim people who are concerned with Kinect are wearing tinfoil hats, even after all this news about PRISM and the NSA? Do you think that the Xbox One will be somehow immune to National Security Letters? This is like crack to a crack head. Better yet, you even paid to install this in your living room and paying for the bandwidth to upload it into MS servers so they can do the wizbang magic so MS can say there is no "direct" access by the government to their servers.

24 hour check-in? Oh yeah, lovely. As a former submariner, I suspect there are a lot of happy sailors on subs and ships and soldiers in Afghanistan. My Xbox 360 is permanently offline. I went out of my way to make it so because I was sick of looking at advertisements plastered all over the place. Sometimes, I just want to get lost in a game and roam the worlds of Oblivion and Fallout without concern regarding my connection. It is a added layer of complexity that is most definitely consumer hostile.

MS absolutely infuriated me with their arrogance and they need a huge serving of humble pie. Now I need to follow some kind of flow chart before I can lend someone a game and vice versa? Are you kidding me?

What happens when the servers go offline? MS can now dictate the end of the Xbox One generation at their discretion when the time for Xbox 2 comes around. Transfer games? How did that work out with the Xbox Live games that were purchased?

30,000 servers? LMAO, the power of the "cloud". Voodoo magic here. In a console war where the difference in bandwidth between DDR3 and GDDR5 is a huge difference, where the physical distance between RAM and CPU is an impediment, you are going to offload things to a server miles away? I also highly doubt there are 30k physical servers. More than likely it will be some sort of scalable server that can create virtual ones and thus 30k servers. This is pure conjecture on my part but whatever. Regardless, it is tiresome hearing "but 30k servers" as the answer to everything.

I don't know if you've noticed but the response has been extremely negative and they are absolutely being trounced right now in the press and rightly so. I hope they fall and fall hard.

I couldn't care less about license agreements and the legal voodoo that software makers feel like is their birthright. The value of books is in their content. The same with music and movies. They do not degrade after using them once. Yet, there is a second hand market for them. I can sell my movies on ebay, watch it today or 30 years from now, give it away, or throw it away. All without obtaining permission from anyone. I worked for my money. I spent my hard earned money on your product.

Customs can be stronger than law. My first system was a NES. I owned it. I owned the cartridges. Games were $60-$80 a pop in 1980s dollars. Did I trade games? Damn right I did and it was glorious. The success rate of convincing parents to drop that kind of dough for games was extremely low. Each and every cartridge was a treasure. Mozying on over to a friends house with Super Mario Bros 3 while we all gathered round to watch someone play, maybe even let them hold on to it for a few days. That is console gaming to me. I'm not worried about my license to use the game. That is my expectation and experience thus far.

If MS is successful with this, then consumer rights will have even further eroded. Once this ground has been given up, it will be almost impossible for consumers to regain it. We won't ever be able to own a game again.

Basically, you will be leasing your console and games from MS and that very company will have the kill switch.

Tinfoil hat? Yeah, whatever. Try playing Halo 2. I doubt Xbox One will be around 20 years from now. Why would I play old games? Some games are like old friends. I still play FFVII every now and again for the nostalgia, Kingdom Hearts is timeless, and maybe I want to share it with my kid in the future? Who knows? Regardless, it's not a matter of "why should I want to" as seems to be the gut response of the proponents of the Xbox One. The question is "why shouldn't I be able to".

Rant over.

I would like to thank you for your contribution to the further erosion of gamer and consumer rights. MS and the publishers thank you.
 

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Hi there
the SONY is really only of use to GAMERS whilst the XBOX can do a lot more and could be of interest to NON gamers too.

Question though How does the UK get a price of 425 GBP (approx.) while in the US the price is 480 USD approx. At the current exchange rate of 1.56 USD for 1 GBP I make that 307 GBP so what's up here -- that's a CRAZY differential --maybe I'll fly to NY, bring a load back and set up a pitch in London's Oxford St selling these for 370 GBP and still make a huge profit, flight and Hotel paid and a few enjoyable days in NYC too. !!!

Cheers
jimbo
 

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Hi there
the SONY is really only of use to GAMERS whilst the XBOX can do a lot more and could be of interest to NON gamers too.

Question though How does the UK get a price of 425 GBP (approx.) while in the US the price is 480 USD approx. At the current exchange rate of 1.56 USD for 1 GBP I make that 307 GBP so what's up here -- that's a CRAZY differential --maybe I'll fly to NY, bring a load back and set up a pitch in London's Oxford St selling these for 370 GBP and still make a huge profit, flight and Hotel paid and a few enjoyable days in NYC too. !!!

Cheers
jimbo


No research on my part but if I had to pull an answer out of my butt it would be that the U.S. is unusual in that we list prices that don't include tax. This is difficult because of all the different state tax rates and what not.

The U.K., if I'm not mistaken, includes the VAT into their calculation. What you see is what you pay at the register.

I'm also assuming that there is some built in protection from foreign currency translation so they don't get hit to bad if the exchange rates swing the wrong way.

I'm assuming they get paid more in the U.K. as well, probably have a higher minimum wage like Australia so they can take the hit.

Add in some "because I can" profit on top of all that and you have the difference.
 

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This is one of the most short sighted and asinine things I've heard. It's because of consumers like you who lap this stuff up that MS is even attempting to do this.

You claim people who are concerned with Kinect are wearing tinfoil hats, even after all this news about PRISM and the NSA? Do you think that the Xbox One will be somehow immune to National Security Letters? This is like crack to a crack head. Better yet, you even paid to install this in your living room and paying for the bandwidth to upload it into MS servers so they can do the wizbang magic so MS can say there is no "direct" access by the government to their servers.

24 hour check-in? Oh yeah, lovely. As a former submariner, I suspect there are a lot of happy sailors on subs and ships and soldiers in Afghanistan. My Xbox 360 is permanently offline. I went out of my way to make it so because I was sick of looking at advertisements plastered all over the place. Sometimes, I just want to get lost in a game and roam the worlds of Oblivion and Fallout without concern regarding my connection. It is a added layer of complexity that is most definitely consumer hostile.

MS absolutely infuriated me with their arrogance and they need a huge serving of humble pie. Now I need to follow some kind of flow chart before I can lend someone a game and vice versa? Are you kidding me?

What happens when the servers go offline? MS can now dictate the end of the Xbox One generation at their discretion when the time for Xbox 2 comes around. Transfer games? How did that work out with the Xbox Live games that were purchased?

30,000 servers? LMAO, the power of the "cloud". Voodoo magic here. In a console war where the difference in bandwidth between DDR3 and GDDR5 is a huge difference, where the physical distance between RAM and CPU is an impediment, you are going to offload things to a server miles away? I also highly doubt there are 30k physical servers. More than likely it will be some sort of scalable server that can create virtual ones and thus 30k servers. This is pure conjecture on my part but whatever. Regardless, it is tiresome hearing "but 30k servers" as the answer to everything.

I don't know if you've noticed but the response has been extremely negative and they are absolutely being trounced right now in the press and rightly so. I hope they fall and fall hard.

I couldn't care less about license agreements and the legal voodoo that software makers feel like is their birthright. The value of books is in their content. The same with music and movies. They do not degrade after using them once. Yet, there is a second hand market for them. I can sell my movies on ebay, watch it today or 30 years from now, give it away, or throw it away. All without obtaining permission from anyone. I worked for my money. I spent my hard earned money on your product.

Customs can be stronger than law. My first system was a NES. I owned it. I owned the cartridges. Games were $60-$80 a pop in 1980s dollars. Did I trade games? Damn right I did and it was glorious. The success rate of convincing parents to drop that kind of dough for games was extremely low. Each and every cartridge was a treasure. Mozying on over to a friends house with Super Mario Bros 3 while we all gathered round to watch someone play, maybe even let them hold on to it for a few days. That is console gaming to me. I'm not worried about my license to use the game. That is my expectation and experience thus far.

If MS is successful with this, then consumer rights will have even further eroded. Once this ground has been given up, it will be almost impossible for consumers to regain it. We won't ever be able to own a game again.

Basically, you will be leasing your console and games from MS and that very company will have the kill switch.

Tinfoil hat? Yeah, whatever. Try playing Halo 2. I doubt Xbox One will be around 20 years from now. Why would I play old games? Some games are like old friends. I still play FFVII every now and again for the nostalgia, Kingdom Hearts is timeless, and maybe I want to share it with my kid in the future? Who knows? Regardless, it's not a matter of "why should I want to" as seems to be the gut response of the proponents of the Xbox One. The question is "why shouldn't I be able to".

Rant over.

I would like to thank you for your contribution to the further erosion of gamer and consumer rights. MS and the publishers thank you.


And I couldn't agree more.

You've just perfectly summed-up what I was just sitting here thinking.

Wenda.
 

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Hi there
the SONY is really only of use to GAMERS whilst the XBOX can do a lot more and could be of interest to NON gamers too.

Question though How does the UK get a price of 425 GBP (approx.) while in the US the price is 480 USD approx. At the current exchange rate of 1.56 USD for 1 GBP I make that 307 GBP so what's up here -- that's a CRAZY differential --maybe I'll fly to NY, bring a load back and set up a pitch in London's Oxford St selling these for 370 GBP and still make a huge profit, flight and Hotel paid and a few enjoyable days in NYC too. !!!

Cheers
jimbo


No research on my part but if I had to pull an answer out of my butt it would be that the U.S. is unusual in that we list prices that don't include tax. This is difficult because of all the different state tax rates and what not.

The U.K., if I'm not mistaken, includes the VAT into their calculation. What you see is what you pay at the register.

I'm also assuming that there is some built in protection from foreign currency translation so they don't get hit to bad if the exchange rates swing the wrong way.

I'm assuming they get paid more in the U.K. as well, probably have a higher minimum wage like Australia so they can take the hit.

Add in some "because I can" profit on top of all that and you have the difference.

Hi there
I think Minimum wage in the UK is around 6 GBP / hr if over 21 and 5 GBP / hr if between 18 - 21. I'm sure somebody will correct me on those rates but that's about the EU Median for these types of employees. I'm sure (excluding illegal workers) the USA pays roughly similar.

VAT in the UK is 20% so assuming you don't get discounted products that would still only make the price around 370 GBP - assuming the selling price is the same as the US.

Importation tax depends on the various agreements with other non EEA countries and in any case if you claim it's "Educational" then the rate is ZERO. Gaming in some quarters can be considered "Educational" -- the military are into these scenarios big time BTW.

Manufacturers don't have any obligation to provide DOWNWARD compatability to any of their products -- would I want to drive a BMW M5 with only Drum brakes and a non fuel injector system. However forcing people to be online at all times is just IDIOTIC and will drive sales down.

Parts of where I live are totally unpopulated and certainly don't have any sort of Internet access at anything like the bandwidth required to play any of these games with any type of decent video resolution and response time. In the Cities (although what we call a City would probably rank to most people as a small village) Internet is fine and superfast - but even here people don't want to have to rely on it.

The old hardware will run for YEARS if you treat it properly - and someone will soon find some way of playing old games on a new XBOX. Where there's a will there's always a way.

The ONLINE bit is stupid though -- I'm sure that will get dropped - especially if the wretched device bombs in sales - but it certainly is theoretically a much more versatile device than the Sony system which is just for games only.

Most of my colleagues who had the older Xboxes now rarely bother with the games -- but for networking / multi-media streaming they work just fine. Mind you we are all getting a bit "Grey haired" now so not really in the prime market for this stuff.

Cheers
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I don't expect backward compatibility; it's a nice added bonus. Software implementation sucks from my experience with original Xbox games on the 360. I had the OG PS3 with backward compatibility and I loved the backwards compatibility but not enough to not trade it in for a slim one because I would have to strip down to my boxers playing that thing in the summer with the heat that thing put out.

It is the least of my concerns with the Xbox One. I think the line gets a bit fuzzy with Live Arcade games though because it seems to take some Xbox fans by surprised because it hadn't crossed their minds.

I know old hardware lasts for years. Back in 2000, a roommate had a working NES with Mike Tysons Punchout. I finally got some closure when I finally beat Iron Mike. 0073735963. Didn't even look it up. I had to use the code because I couldn't beat Super Macho Man.

I gave my fat PS2 to a friend and that is still ticking.

I plan on keeping my PS3 and 360 for a long time still.

My concern is that I'm renting the console.

It is a kick in the nuts. Now I KNOW the direction they want to move and I don't like it. Even if they reversed their policy, I won't buy their console. I kick you in the nuts, I say I'm sorry, come help me? Yeah? Probably no. I guess I'm like a beaten wife, I won't look at them the same again. It is simply rewarding bad behavior.

Further still, nothing Microsoft has done would lead me to believe they would reverse course. They have been pretty obstinate with the Start Screen for all the outcry.

Also, I would never buy something on the hope that they change their decision. Being a Verizon Wireless subscriber taught me that lesson.
 

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