This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

[davidvoyage]

Using Windows 8 on my main machine now and so far so good. Overall performance is amazing even desktop mode is smoother than windows 7. I must admit that metro start screen is not as good as the previous start button/menu, but it's not too bad. One thing for sure, I always use desktop mode, never open any metro app at all.

 

[Fredledingue]

Windows 8: Hate It Already? Why Waiting for Windows 9 Won't Help One possibility would be for Microsoft to concede defeat. Instead of forcing users to adopt the new Windows interface, Microsoft could give users the option to boot directly into the desktop, launch programs through an old-school Start menu, and maybe even bring back the Start button. This seems like the least likely option, given the steps Microsoft has taken to make its new interface unavoidable. I don't think Microsoft will cave unless there's a huge backlash.

How PC world's writer Jared Newman cannot face reality and see that Metro is already a spectacular defeat? At least 2/3 of W8 users are destroying Metro within minutes of install. There are at least 4 patches, famous on the internet, to kill Metro and restore Start Menu. And it was predictable.

PCs face a serious threat from tablets, especially the iPad. Microsoft must respond with an OS that makes sense for tablets.

No the PC doesn't face serious treat from tablet if you consider that tablets are PC with a smaller size. It's like saying 10 years ago that PC faced treat from laptops. Pleace define "PC"! Nobody needs two towers, but some need one tower and tablet. Or one large laptop and a smartphone, or just a smartphone and no computer because they don't do computer job, etc

Office Suite apps abound, as do keyboard cases that make the iPad more laptop-like. You can write code and design webpages on the iPad. You can compose music and edit video, too.

Indeed if you add a normal keyboard, a 19' screen, a mouse and one or two other accessories you may do the same as on a desktop PC. But then again, please define "PC". Seriousely if you do these jobs on a daily basis you better buy a tower. Designing webpages on a small screen is much likely to get loosy results.

Microsoft must respond with an OS that makes sense for tablets

Trashing the desktop Windows the way they do won't help tablet sale. The opposite would be true. A nice OS for desktop would lure more customers into Windows tablets. There are shooting themsleves in the foot.

 

[Night Hawk]

I would reword that last one to "MS must respond with an OS that makes sense PERIOD!". Why do you do think the OEMs like Samsung will be adding in "Their own" Start>Programs menu? They realize the new 8 machines(desktops, laptops) simply won't sell by the way 8 looks on the store shelves!

I certainly have to agree with the oust of the Aero was another foobar by MS there since that allows the wallpaper to be seen through the taskbar when unchecking the auto hide. The problem with 3rd party addons even Classic Shell is not being able to right click on them to bring up the properties screen and options for how you want the Start to appear as well as seeing the Restart set on the shutdown button rather then shutdown since there is no button present without the addon.

Does that sound more like going around in circles?! Apparently that's the MS way of thinking! Lead the average user around in circles and they'll follow you anywhere!

 

[PaulGo]

[h=1]Windows 7 forever! Why Windows 7 is the next XP[/h]
We love Windows 7: That's the message loud and clear from people this week at the TechMentor Conference held at Microsoft headquarters in Redmond, Wash. With Windows XP reaching end of life for support in April 2014, the plan for most organizations is to upgrade -- to Windows 7.

Windows 7 forever! Why Windows 7 is the next XP | Microsoft Windows - InfoWorld

 

[R0bR]

Windows 7 forever! Why Windows 7 is the next XP


We love Windows 7: That's the message loud and clear from people this week at the TechMentor Conference held at Microsoft headquarters in Redmond, Wash. With Windows XP reaching end of life for support in April 2014, the plan for most organizations is to upgrade -- to Windows 7.

Windows 7 forever! Why Windows 7 is the next XP | Microsoft Windows - InfoWorld

This article is irrelevant to the thread topic.

 

[TallLefty21]

Using Windows 8 on my main machine now and so far so good. Overall performance is amazing even desktop mode is smoother than windows 7. I must admit that metro start screen is not as good as the previous start button/menu, but it's not too bad. One thing for sure, I always use desktop mode, never open any metro app at all.

This is my feeling as well. The Metro and Metro Apps are useless. They add no value at all to the user experience.

I've also experienced some applications not showing up in the Start Start, VMWare Player for example.

 

[PaulGo]

Windows 7 forever! Why Windows 7 is the next XP


We love Windows 7: That's the message loud and clear from people this week at the TechMentor Conference held at Microsoft headquarters in Redmond, Wash. With Windows XP reaching end of life for support in April 2014, the plan for most organizations is to upgrade -- to Windows 7.

Windows 7 forever! Why Windows 7 is the next XP | Microsoft Windows - InfoWorld

This article is irrelevant to the thread topic.

This article shows why corporations and many users will stick or go to Windows 7 instead of using or deploying Windows 8, so why is it irrelevant?

 

[jimbo45]

Windows 8: Hate It Already? Why Waiting for Windows 9 Won't Help One possibility would be for Microsoft to concede defeat. Instead of forcing users to adopt the new Windows interface, Microsoft could give users the option to boot directly into the desktop, launch programs through an old-school Start menu, and maybe even bring back the Start button. This seems like the least likely option, given the steps Microsoft has taken to make its new interface unavoidable. I don't think Microsoft will cave unless there's a huge backlash.

How PC world's writer Jared Newman cannot face reality and see that Metro is already a spectacular defeat? At least 2/3 of W8 users are destroying Metro within minutes of install. There are at least 4 patches, famous on the internet, to kill Metro and restore Start Menu. And it was predictable.

PCs face a serious threat from tablets, especially the iPad. Microsoft must respond with an OS that makes sense for tablets.

No the PC doesn't face serious treat from tablet if you consider that tablets are PC with a smaller size. It's like saying 10 years ago that PC faced treat from laptops. Pleace define "PC"! Nobody needs two towers, but some need one tower and tablet. Or one large laptop and a smartphone, or just a smartphone and no computer because they don't do computer job, etc

Office Suite apps abound, as do keyboard cases that make the iPad more laptop-like. You can write code and design webpages on the iPad. You can compose music and edit video, too.

Indeed if you add a normal keyboard, a 19' screen, a mouse and one or two other accessories you may do the same as on a desktop PC. But then again, please define "PC". Seriousely if you do these jobs on a daily basis you better buy a tower. Designing webpages on a small screen is much likely to get loosy results.

Microsoft must respond with an OS that makes sense for tablets

Trashing the desktop Windows the way they do won't help tablet sale. The opposite would be true. A nice OS for desktop would lure more customers into Windows tablets. There are shooting themsleves in the foot.

Hi there
agree with most of what you say -- but you don't always need a Tower (or two towers etc).

A new Ultrabook will easily drive an HDMI output into a HUGE LCD monitor (often 60 ins or even larger if you are lucky enough to get your hands on one of those size TV's / monitors.

Even the much derided humble netbook was quite capable of driving a decent size external monitor -- maybe not 60 ins but certainly a 32 inch / 40 inch monitor.

Cheers
jimbo

 

[R0bR]

This article shows why corporations and many users will stick or go to Windows 7 instead of using or deploying Windows 8, so why is it irrelevant?

Several reasons:

1. Regardless of what Windows 8 is or isn't, likes or dislikes, corporations don't upgrade to the next version of Windows for some time hence why many are still using XP.

2. More often than not corporations wait for at least SP1 before planning any kind of migration anyways.

3. Windows 8 is targeted to the general consumer, Microsoft has even gone on record saying that they expect Windows 7 to continue at the enterprise with Windows 8 only used as companion devices (ie. Tablets). The fact that it CAN be used at the enterprise is moot, it is Windows after all.

4. People that attend a TechMentor conference do not speak for the general Windows user that Windows 8 is targeted for.

This thread is about Windows 8 flopping worse than Vista, the article is not negative towards Windows 8. Unless of course you read just the heading and make an assumption. There is nothing in this article that discuss Windows 8 flopping, it just re-iterates that corporations will treat upgrades just as they've always done.

 

[Mike Lonewolf]

Talllefty21 said:

I've also experienced some applications not showing up in the Start Start, VMWare Player for example.

Did you right click the Start Screen, and select to "Show All Applications"?

 

[HippsieGypsie]

This article shows why corporations and many users will stick or go to Windows 7 instead of using or deploying Windows 8, so why is it irrelevant?

Several reasons:

1. Regardless of what Windows 8 is or isn't, likes or dislikes, corporations don't upgrade to the next version of Windows for some time hence why many are still using XP.

2. More often than not corporations wait for at least SP1 before planning any kind of migration anyways.

3. Windows 8 is targeted to the general consumer, Microsoft has even gone on record saying that they expect Windows 7 to continue at the enterprise with Windows 8 only used as companion devices (ie. Tablets). The fact that it CAN be used at the enterprise is moot, it is Windows after all.

4. People that attend a TechMentor conference do not speak for the general Windows user that Windows 8 is targeted for.

This thread is about Windows 8 flopping worse than Vista, the article is not negative towards Windows 8. Unless of course you read just the heading and make an assumption. There is nothing in this article that discuss Windows 8 flopping, it just re-iterates that corporations will treat upgrades just as they've always done.

Thank you, R0bR. I believe it to be very wise and well rounded post.

Vista was a flop so far as technical use and stability for the most part, but not as a revenue failure for MS. We know that and so did/does MS. However, they did make up for it with 7 in a very timely manner to make what? More revenue.

I believe we should all face the fact that 8 is aimed for the general consumer market and not for enterprise. We know that and I think MS does as well as you expounded on. I think they have a 9 in plan to fulfill that market.

MS is and has to head in the touch implementation direction. After all Apple did and their sales show that. This is the future. I feel 8 will not be MS's biggest seller, but it won't be a flop either. They'll make revenue with it just as they always have.

For the record -> This thread is 28 pages long at most posts per page setting. It is probably the longest thread on the forum. Will there be no conclusion? Probably not, since it's all based on opinions.

 

[PaulGo]

This article shows why corporations and many users will stick or go to Windows 7 instead of using or deploying Windows 8, so why is it irrelevant?

Several reasons:

1. Regardless of what Windows 8 is or isn't, likes or dislikes, corporations don't upgrade to the next version of Windows for some time hence why many are still using XP.

2. More often than not corporations wait for at least SP1 before planning any kind of migration anyways.

3. Windows 8 is targeted to the general consumer, Microsoft has even gone on record saying that they expect Windows 7 to continue at the enterprise with Windows 8 only used as companion devices (ie. Tablets). The fact that it CAN be used at the enterprise is moot, it is Windows after all.

4. People that attend a TechMentor conference do not speak for the general Windows user that Windows 8 is targeted for.

This thread is about Windows 8 flopping worse than Vista, the article is not negative towards Windows 8. Unless of course you read just the heading and make an assumption. There is nothing in this article that discuss Windows 8 flopping, it just re-iterates that corporations will treat upgrades just as they've always done.

In the article it states:

But it does indicate a repeat of history for what we've seen with Windows releases, the original-cast "Star Trek" movie pattern where every other version was beloved and the ones in between decidely not so. In Windows' history, Windows 95, Windows XP, and Windows 7 were loved; Windows ME, Windows Vista, and now Windows 8 (at least by reviewers) were hated. (Windows 98 was essentially a minor upgrade to Windows 95, and Windows 2000 was essentially a niche corporate version in its era, so neither counts.)

But what do we actually love about Windows 7? Sometimes it's easier to see its charms (no pun intended) when looking back from the newest OS. For me, Windows 8 has crystalized the five Windows 7 features I love most...


I believe this shows that reviewer dislikes Windows 8 and gives reasons why it will not be successful.

 

[SIW2]

Fair comment.

It has had a kicking from a lot of reviewers.

The public may be different.

Perhaps there are a lot out there who just want a small device with little squares to stab at. As long as it takes them to Fbook, or wherever - they don't care about anything else.

 

[Kat]

If Windows 8 fails, it wont be because it is a 'bad' OS.

It's not. Far from it.

It'll be because it's 'too different' for so many.

IMHO, anyway...

 

[SIW2]

It is the implementation that is the problem.

Easy for MS to improve - if they are persuaded to do so.

That will take continual pressure - just giving in is useless.

 

[Night Hawk]

Windows 7 forever! Why Windows 7 is the next XP


We love Windows 7: That's the message loud and clear from people this week at the TechMentor Conference held at Microsoft headquarters in Redmond, Wash. With Windows XP reaching end of life for support in April 2014, the plan for most organizations is to upgrade -- to Windows 7.

Windows 7 forever! Why Windows 7 is the next XP | Microsoft Windows - InfoWorld

This article is irrelevant to the thread topic.

This article shows why corporations and many users will stick or go to Windows 7 instead of using or deploying Windows 8, so why is it irrelevant?

The article sums things up quite accurately with the theme of 8 being a "Flop"! With one look most have simply called it quits when it comes to considering any upgrade to 8! The hesitance by the corporate world to upgrade versions isn't based on just waiting for the SP1 either. The time and money invested into existing softwares like office wares, 100s of workstations, etc. may simply be not within their present budget as well as the reworking of any special wares developed for their particular business that would need to see all new versions.

 

[Night Hawk]

Vista was a flop so far as technical use and stability for the most part, but not as a revenue failure for MS. We know that and so did/does MS. However, they did make up for it with 7 in a very timely manner to make what? More revenue.

To the contrary! Vista was actually far more stable and secure then XP ever thought of being plus lacked the high volume of fixes needed to make it into a strong OS! In fact many who tried 7 simply ended going back and staying with it!

7 in the end was the "OS you can run out of the box" seeing less need for error fixing! MS put far more effort into seeing things done right from the start rather then the flop of XP SP3 1,000 fixed long awaited for and the misstatement of minimum system specs required allowing OEMs to sell undergrade systems with Vista preinstalled ending up with negative reaction.

As far as opinions there are as many as there are members on 8F! I knew from the start you would be hearing all sorts of them!

 

[HippsieGypsie]

Vista was a flop so far as technical use and stability for the most part, but not as a revenue failure for MS. We know that and so did/does MS. However, they did make up for it with 7 in a very timely manner to make what? More revenue.

To the contrary! Vista was actually far more stable and secure then XP ever thought of being plus lacked the high volume of fixes needed to make it into a strong OS! In fact many who tried 7 simply ended going back and staying with it!

7 in the end was the "OS you can run out of the box" seeing less need for error fixing! MS put far more effort into seeing things done right from the start rather then the flop of XP SP3 1,000 fixed long awaited for and the misstatement of minimum system specs required allowing OEMs to sell undergrade systems with Vista preinstalled ending up with negative reaction.

As far as opinions there are as many as there are members on 8F! I knew from the start you would be hearing all sorts of them!

I'm sure you are absolutely correct from your point of view in the ascent, deviation, and/or declination of OSs. I'll admit you and others here and elsewhere are far more savvy when it comes to computer technicalities and experience.

I jumped from 98SE on a Gateway to a new PC preloaded with Vista, so I don't know all the rest in between, although I heard from friends and read here and there about them. I'm a builder and was using a PC to run a business. So far as I'm concerned I was spending more time fixing the damn OS and other software running on it than I was using it. So from my point of view it was a flop. I was quite happy and relieved with 7 and continue to be.

That's not an opinion -> That's a fact!

 

[Fredledingue]

Even the much derided humble netbook was quite capable of driving a decent size external monitor

Yes, I agree, you can turn easily most recent tablets/netbooks/mini-laptops whatever you call them, into a (desktop) PC (which has by definition a monitor planted on your desk). That was my point exactely. And by doing so you will want to temporarily disable the touch-screen UI to get a more adapted Desktop UI.

but you don't always need a Tower

As I said already, some poeple will want to have 2 tablets and no tower, other 2 towers and no tablet, or 2 towers and a smartphone and a laptop, others one smartphone and a tablet etc... I didn't say that everybody will always want a tower. Only that some poeple will still want them. Why? I don't know. Personaly I'd feel I miss something without a tower. That's how I feel on a laptop even a large one. I like solid hardware, interchageable and accessible like in a cupboard. I don;t like much fragile things where everything is cluttered on the tiniest space as possible. On a laptop we have at home, there are 2x2 USB slots (2 on each side) but most of the time you can use only once on each side because the slots are so close to each other that there is no room for two deices side by side!

 

[Tepid]

I will repost this that I put in another thread here, because I think it is relevant

The whole point of Win8 (as if it is not obvious) is to have an integrated UI experience across all platforms.
(ie. Phone, Desktop, Tablet, Xbox, possibly other devices that someone throws out with WinRT)

The synch integration of the tablet to desktop and vice-versa with personalization/passwords, IE settings, Explorer Settings and possibly with the next Xbox UI update are pretty interesting.

We will not completely find out how effective or popular this will all be till probably at least April or May 2013.

I think around that time will say all there is to say about the success or failure of Windows 8.

Not to mention Server 2012