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I'm confused about Win8

  1. #1


    Denmark
    Posts : 224
    Windows 8.1 64bit Pro

    I'm confused about Win8


    Can someone enlight me? I have a good stationary PC with Z77 chipset, and 3570K (OC to 4,4Ghz), a Nvidia GTX580 graphic card, a Auzentech soundcard, Logitech Z5500 speakerset and a 24" monitor. How do MS think this PC is going to be swapped for a tablet???
    How do MS think I want to buy a "touch" OS for this gaming PC? (which is also used for homebanking, some job, emails, surf, music aso).

    I have tried the CP version of Win8, but it was ugly (especially Metro). No eyecandy at desktop, Metro is crammed down my throat, and windows at desktop is back to win98, completely square. On the other hand, Win8 has a faster boot, and a faster shut down, and my tools (totalcommander and other) are working just fine, so I still have to find a compatibel-error.

    If MS is angry enough about we're not buying their Win8, what is the possibilities that DirectX 12 will be a "Windows 8 ONLY" like they did with Dx10 and XP?

    Also, in the RTM version of Win8, is the mediaPLAYER missing, or is it just the mediaCENTER?

    English is not my first language, so please bear with me

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  2. #2


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    The media player is missing from all "N" versions of Windows, which are sold in Europe due to the EU's demand that MS remove it for competition reasons.

    Media Center is not in the basic Windows 8, but can be added by purchasing a key to give it media center capabilities.

    As for the rest of your question, you miss the point. MS doesn't care one way or the other if you use touch on your desktop. But they want to use the same OS on Phones, Tablets, and Desktops. So that means the OS has to be "Touch Friendly", because it's all the same OS.

    Metro apps are designed to be cross-platform apps that work on any supported architecture (currently x86, x64 and ARM), so the same apps work on all platforms (phones, tablets, and desktops).

    Traditional x86 apps and games will still work on Windows 8, and will continue to work on Windows for the foreseeable future. But, Metro allows app developers to develop new apps that target all platforms and devices, so you can use the same app everywhere.

    As for DirectX 10. It wasn't supported on XP because it was built upon the GPU architecture and 3D accelerated graphics engine of Vista+. XP couldn't technically support it. They would have had to radically change the driver model of XP to make it work, and that's just not something you do to an existing system. Sure, Microsoft *COULD* have made it work, but it wasn't worth it to them to expend the effort on an OS they weren't going to be selling anymore.
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  3. #3


    Denmark
    Posts : 224
    Windows 8.1 64bit Pro


    OK, so if I will switch to Win8, I'll have to find a NON-version "N"? As I have understand it, win 8 (in all versions) will support other languages like Windows 7 Ultimate? i.e. I will be able to buy an English version, and after install, I can switch to my language (danish) via Windows update?

    As for an app-solution that work "on any device", it worries me, that they will just take the lowest common denominator for all, and make it this way, like many games today is made for Xbox, PS3 and PC, and we PC-gamers are stuck with games that is WAY under, what our hardware can handle.
    I don't want touch on my stationary (but on my phone it is the best!!), and an app that run on my Phones little screen don't look very nice on my 24" monitor . But for tools aso where graphic is not important, I can see a big advance in making the program, and therefore in the price I will have to pay for it .

    Is there any change in the way Win8 boot to Metro in RTM compared to the CP I have tried? The missing START is not a BIG issue to me, just a little one, but the Metro-start is not my cup of tea. I would like to boot direct to desktop, as I have no touch.
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  4. #4


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Well, there will probably always be apps optimized for different classes of devices. But many apps can be written to take the size of the device into account and self-optimize for the device it's running on. Currently, I don't consider Metro apps to be my "Primary" apps, I look at it more as a freebie... In addition to all the normal desktop apps, I can also run all these apps that are designed for phones and tablets.

    When you look at Windows 7 and Windows Phone 7, the apps were completely different. You couldn't run Windows Phone 7 apps on Windows 7, even if you wanted to. It's unlikely that major gaming companies will give up desktop gaming for Metro gaming. They may have Metro versions of games (like The Sims) though. And lots of games just don't need more than Metro offers (solitaire, Puzzle games, etc..)

    If you have an "N" version, you can download the media player separately, it just doesn't ship with it for legal reasons.

    As far as the start menu and booting to desktop, there are various solutions for that. There's third party apps that give you a start button and a menu, those solutions usually let you boot directly to the desktop as well.
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  5. #5


    Posts : 354
    Windows Server 2012 Standard w/Hyper-V


    You can always make the Desktop tile the first tile. That way, once your PC boots up and loads the Win 8 UI, all you have to do is press "enter" to get to the desktop. Or you can press Win+D.
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  6. #6


    DeLand, FL
    Posts : 380
    Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit


    Here's one that no one has said yet. You don't have to switch. Win7 is going to be supported fully until around 2020. Just leave your system alone and use what you have. You will miss nothing.

    -Max
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  7. #7


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Well, you miss the improvements to Windows 8 that have nothing to do with Metro, such as the multi-monitor improvements (taskbar on each screen, individualized wallpapers per screen, etc..), performance and resource usage improvements, Client Hyper-V, etc..
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  8. #8


    Yes, you do have to give up on some features to stay with Windows 7, but Windows 7 is solid. It might be worth it to some to skip those extra features to get back the desktop and aero the way they were used to it.
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  9. #9


    Australia
    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    And if you do stay with W7, hopefully M$ will eventually honour their committment to W7 buyers and provide SP2 which will include those improvements to the basic OS engine. Or they might even go the whole way and provide a direct boot to desktop and start orb/menu for W8.

    But that won't happen until W8 has achieved it's goal of penetration into the laptop/hybrid, tablet, touchfone market.
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  10. #10


    Denmark
    Posts : 224
    Windows 8.1 64bit Pro


    OK, it seems like I just want to stay with Windows 7 Ultimate x64 for now.
    I don't use tablet or windows phone, I'm only having 1 monitor, so it is very limited what I am going to miss, I assume.
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