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Windows 8 is no iphone killer

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    Windows 8 is no iphone killer


    I think investors are being a little cautious - perhaps the phone won't do brilliantly - perhaps desktop users won't flock to it either - but I think it could do ok in tablets - as long as it is priced right.


    The silence surrounding these Windows 8 phone events is remarkably deafening, in comparison to the hysterical response over the iPhone 5

    "fan boys" must recognize that the Apple's story stock cannot trend upwards ad infinitum...
    I foreshadow that Apple will shift into the product maturation stage within this Web 2.0 business cycle. Apple product launches would then parallel the feel of Nike's Air Jordan line

    Windows 8 phones have yet to impress Wall Street. On September 5, cynical traders sat through Stephen Elop's Lumia 920 presentation, while simultaneously entering orders to dump Nokia stock at a 15 percent loss on the session.

    Windows 8 Is No Apple iPhone Killer - Seeking Alpha

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    I certainly don't know the "big picture" all that well but if my observations are accurate no one really even knows about Windows Phone. I haven't been in a store yet that gave them much counter-space compared with the iPhone and Android. I think there's an awfully good chance that Windows Phone will remain a small niche player and may eventually disappear. Then where will MS be? They will have written a smartphone front-end and shoved it down the throats of desktop users who will have stuck with Win7 and/or abandoned it for a Mac or something.

    We shall see.

    -Max
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    Well, WP8 has mostly feature parity with the other main phones on the market(though slightly less in some areas). Even so, there's nothing "killer" about WP8 that makes it something that can dominate the market.
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    I'd say we have to wait and see - Microsoft (nor it's hardware or carrier partners) appear to have tried to market the WP platform in the Americas or in western Europe very much at all, but have instead targeted "emerging markets" in places like China and India (which does make sense, given WP7 devices were basically mid-range hardware, at best) with lower-end hardware and very cheap pricing.

    WP8 is now based on the same core that runs Windows itself, and applications written for the "modern" environment on Win8 can be ported over to Windows Phone fairly easily (and vice versa). Given the platform dominance Windows has on the PC/laptop market, and the fact that app developers already appear to be targeting Windows 8 (with some apps already available for both platforms), we'll have to wait and see. Microsoft has said they'll spend big on marketing both platforms, and their phone hardware options can now be decidedly considered fairly high-end now as well, so we shall see. I would bet Microsoft sticks with Windows Phone even if WP8 isn't a huge success - given where they're coming from in established markets (almost nonexistent market share), becoming the "third platform" behind iOS and Android would probably be a success for the WP8 platform. Being anywhere near 10% of a market that is tens of billions of dollars large each year isn't something to scoff at).
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    No. Windows 8 will not be an iPhone killer, nor an iPad killer. But it's the first step on a huge improvement. Perhaps Windows 9 will be the killer.

    One of the problems that Windows 8 has is that it has no central focus on Music, Video, and Books/Mags, unlike the iPhone. There's Windows Media Player, but it's not as integrated as iTunes is. And it's not as central to the functioning of the Windows Phone. Ideally, a Windows Phone 8 or Tablet 8 doesn't need a central manager, but we all know people want to backup their device to someplace other than the cloud.

    It's a huge first step, but it needs a lot more fine tuning before it can compete with the iPad. And certainly, prices will have to come down on tablets.
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    Windows Phone 8. Please get it right as Windows 8 isn't on a phone.

    Sorry if I sound uppity, it's a gear grinder for me. I've found that if people refer to it as Windows 8 phone, they're usually making some statement that it isn't good enough or not enough to take on the iphone; which also says they're probably not saying something logical if they can't even get the product name right.

    As for Windows Phone 8, in the big picture of things, it and android will end up smoothering the iphone. Fads don't last forever, success doesn't last forever. Microsoft knows this, ATT does, RIM definitely knows this, and so on. Usually when a company is revered as a physical force of GOD or near that, that is usually when the company or product peaks and it's on a downward slope.

    Once you remove the hype and the phrase "because it's an iphone", you're left with something that has a bunch of apps and a stretched out screen when other products has better cameras, better UIs, differentiating features, better sound, better displays, and better overall; you can't logically think an iphone is better. If apps are what you only care about, android has more free ones than apple. If you care more about user experience and hardware, Windows Phones are better than an iphone.

    There is also a larger ecosystem than apple's. You have the PC and its form factors, Windows Phone, and Xbox. The new Xbox next year will probably have the similar shared core of Windows, so you have three different devices with the same code and software can be readily developed and easily ported across different devices. Xbox has Xbox Music, so does Windows and Windows Phone. Barnes and Noble content will be able to be browsed across Windows Phone and Windows 8. A game on the new Xbox can have an easy port over to Windows on Xbox Live and possibly a small side game of it as well on Windows Phone. And if you're playing a game on both Xbox and Windows, you can pick up right where you left it on either device.

    Compare this to apple, the only ecosystem there is ipad, iphone, and itunes. The mac doesn't even have a lot to do with anything other than another device to browse some content from certain apps. There isn't gaming development for the mac like Windows, and certainly not any games from a mac on an ipad or iphone and I don't think games from ios can port over to mac easily.
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    Before Windows 8, Windows Phone 7.x was a totally different OS from Windows 7.

    Windows Phone 8 *IS* Windows 8. It's all the same OS now, just customized to fit in a smaller factor (much like Windows Embedded is standard Windows that's customized).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Before Windows 8, Windows Phone 7.x was a totally different OS from Windows 7. Windows Phone 8 *IS* Windows 8. It's all the same OS now, just customized to fit in a smaller factor (much like Windows Embedded is standard Windows that's customized).
    Is not windows 8. It has components that are shared between windows 8, but it's still a distinct OS.
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    Windows Phone 8 shares the same core and APIs and design language as Windows 8, that's it. The UIs and user experiences are two TOTALLY different things. The only thing in common are live tiles and tiles in general along with the some of the design language like heavy typography based UIs. Windows Phone doesn't have a Charms bar, no PC Settings, no universal search tool, no Desktop, no File Explorer. Windows Phone works on similar type hardware as Windows RT, but even then, Windows RT hardware is a whole step up from Windows Phone. To say the UI of Windows 8 is simply scaled to fit a phone form factor is quite honestly, an uniformed statement.
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    I said nothing about scaling the UI. You apparently only read what you wanted to read.

    Windows phone 7.x (and earlier) phones used an OS that was based on Windows CE, which despite the name very different from desktop or server Windows versions. It had a completely different kernel, different driver models, different API, different filesystems, different graphics systems, etc... Not so with Windows Phone 8, which is using the exact same kernel and other features as Windows 8.

    Windows Phone 8 is similar to Windows Embedded in that you can pick and choose which components you want to include, and you can pick and choose how the OS optimizes things (for example, to favor smaller amounts of memory over performance). It uses the same kernel, same file system, same network stack, same graphics, same drivers, Full Internet Explorer 10, Same Bitlocker, etc..

    It *IS* Windows 8 for ARM (aka Windows RT), but customized for a smaller device (and i'm not talking about screen size). In fact, Windows Phone 8 has more in common with Desktop windows than iOS has with desktop MacOS, even though they're also the same OS but customized differently.

    It's like how Desktop Windows is the same os as Sever Windows. They are two different versions of the same OS, each with their own set of apps and unique configurations. Windows Phone 8 just has a lot fewer of those apps and features included.
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