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Windows 8 is no iphone killer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    I said nothing about scaling the UI. You apparently only read what you wanted to read. Windows phone 7.x (and earlier) phones used an OS that was based on Windows CE, which despite the name very different from desktop or server Windows versions. It had a completely different kernel, different driver models, different API, different filesystems, different graphics systems, etc... Not so with Windows Phone 8, which is using the exact same kernel and other features as Windows 8. Windows Phone 8 is similar to Windows Embedded in that you can pick and choose which components you want to include, and you can pick and choose how the OS optimizes things (for example, to favor smaller amounts of memory over performance). It uses the same kernel, same file system, same network stack, same graphics, same drivers, Full Internet Explorer 10, Same Bitlocker, etc.. It *IS* Windows 8 for ARM (aka Windows RT), but customized for a smaller device (and i'm not talking about screen size). In fact, Windows Phone 8 has more in common with Desktop windows than iOS has with desktop MacOS, even though they're also the same OS but customized differently. It's like how Desktop Windows is the same os as Sever Windows. They are two different versions of the same OS, each with their own set of apps and unique configurations. Windows Phone 8 just has a lot fewer of those apps and features included.
    Extending your logic, You can say that iOS IS OSX. They're both based off of the same core. They have mostly similar APIs, including app deployment, networking, image processing, and cocoa UI. I'm pretty sure that no one, even apple fanatics, will agree that the iPhone runs the same OS as the Macbook.

    Also, Windows 7 IS Vista because they have the same APIs and capabilities.Same graphics, same drivers, same bitlocker, same full IE9, same filesystem, same network stack, etc.

    Android IS ubuntu because they have the same linux kernel. Safari IS Google Chrome, because they support the same APIs and features, and share the same rendering engine. While we're at it, most GM cars are the same car because they have common interchangeable engines and suspensions, and only the UI(outside) is different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    I said nothing about scaling the UI. You apparently only read what you wanted to read.

    Windows phone 7.x (and earlier) phones used an OS that was based on Windows CE, which despite the name very different from desktop or server Windows versions. It had a completely different kernel, different driver models, different API, different filesystems, different graphics systems, etc... Not so with Windows Phone 8, which is using the exact same kernel and other features as Windows 8.

    Windows Phone 8 is similar to Windows Embedded in that you can pick and choose which components you want to include, and you can pick and choose how the OS optimizes things (for example, to favor smaller amounts of memory over performance). It uses the same kernel, same file system, same network stack, same graphics, same drivers, Full Internet Explorer 10, Same Bitlocker, etc..

    It *IS* Windows 8 for ARM (aka Windows RT), but customized for a smaller device (and i'm not talking about screen size). In fact, Windows Phone 8 has more in common with Desktop windows than iOS has with desktop MacOS, even though they're also the same OS but customized differently.

    It's like how Desktop Windows is the same os as Sever Windows. They are two different versions of the same OS, each with their own set of apps and unique configurations. Windows Phone 8 just has a lot fewer of those apps and features included.
    I was assuming you were meaning Windows 8 in itself, GUI included, is Windows Phone 8. My bad.
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    The only advantage the iPhone has on Windows Phone 8 now is the number of Apps and that will change. Most of the big apps weren't created for Windows Phone 7 because it didn't support native code and yet with that limitation there are over 100,000 apps in less than two years. It reached that number faster than any platform before it. With WP8 and native code support it means that ANY app coded for iPhone can be easily ported over to WP8 so it won't be long before the App library is competative. A number of developers of major iPhone Apps have already announced WP8 versions are coming.
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    Saying that W8 phone will have any impact on the iphone is just hilarious. I can just see Apple fretting about the new windows phone.

    Maybe when the windows phone absolutely falls on it's face they will do away with this silly experiment once and for all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R0bR View Post
    The only advantage the iPhone has on Windows Phone 8 now is the number of Apps and that will change. Most of the big apps weren't created for Windows Phone 7 because it didn't support native code and yet with that limitation there are over 100,000 apps in less than two years. It reached that number faster than any platform before it. With WP8 and native code support it means that ANY app coded for iPhone can be easily ported over to WP8 so it won't be long before the App library is competative. A number of developers of major iPhone Apps have already announced WP8 versions are coming.
    Not only that, considering the amount of Windows 8 apps already being developed and the ones coming, they will have an easy port over to Windows Phone. There's that, and the already announced game developers that have done Windows game development for Windows Phone.
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    To say the iphone is better than Windows Phone 8 or android, AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf5-...layer_embedded
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    To say the iphone is better than Windows Phone 8 or android, AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf5-...layer_embedded
    As an android user, I can say that the iPhone has certain advantages over Android. Now, I would not consider switching, but for people who don't care for real multitasking, rooting, cooking, and flashing, I think an iPhone may be a better choice. When putting WP8 against iOS and android, it has a few advantages, but has no significant edge over either OS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phailyoor View Post
    Extending your logic, You can say that iOS IS OSX. They're both based off of the same core. They have mostly similar APIs, including app deployment, networking, image processing, and cocoa UI. I'm pretty sure that no one, even apple fanatics, will agree that the iPhone runs the same OS as the MacBook.
    I basically said that already in my post. iOS is very similar to MacOS, and one could call it a subset of MacOS. Much like Windows Phone 8 is a subset of Windows 8 RT. One big difference is that there is no ARM version of MacOS. However, there are differences. The iOS kernel is not identical to the MacOS kernel. In windows 8, the kernels are the same, just tuned differently.

    Quote Originally Posted by phailyoor View Post
    Also, Windows 7 IS Vista because they have the same APIs and capabilities.Same graphics, same drivers, same bitlocker, same full IE9, same filesystem, same network stack, etc.
    This is just ridiculous, and a total failure of logic. Vista and 7 are different versions of the same OS. Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 are different *editions* of the same os version.

    Quote Originally Posted by phailyoor View Post
    Android IS ubuntu because they have the same linux kernel. Safari IS Google Chrome, because they support the same APIs and features, and share the same rendering engine. While we're at it, most GM cars are the same car because they have common interchangeable engines and suspensions, and only the UI(outside) is different.
    No, because Android apps do not use the kernel, they use the android API and run in the Dalvik virtual machine. You could change the kernel to the Windows kernel, and android apps would be none the wiser. In that respect, anyone that says that Android is an example of the success of Linux really doesn't understand Android, because the kernel it runs is an implementation detail, and irrelevant to the platform.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by phailyoor View Post
    Extending your logic, You can say that iOS IS OSX. They're both based off of the same core. They have mostly similar APIs, including app deployment, networking, image processing, and cocoa UI. I'm pretty sure that no one, even apple fanatics, will agree that the iPhone runs the same OS as the MacBook.
    I basically said that already in my post. iOS is very similar to MacOS, and one could call it a subset of MacOS. Much like Windows Phone 8 is a subset of Windows 8 RT. One big difference is that there is no ARM version of MacOS. However, there are differences. The iOS kernel is not identical to the MacOS kernel. In windows 8, the kernels are the same, just tuned differently.

    Quote Originally Posted by phailyoor View Post
    Also, Windows 7 IS Vista because they have the same APIs and capabilities.Same graphics, same drivers, same bitlocker, same full IE9, same filesystem, same network stack, etc.
    This is just ridiculous, and a total failure of logic. Vista and 7 are different versions of the same OS. Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 are different *editions* of the same os version.

    Quote Originally Posted by phailyoor View Post
    Android IS ubuntu because they have the same linux kernel. Safari IS Google Chrome, because they support the same APIs and features, and share the same rendering engine. While we're at it, most GM cars are the same car because they have common interchangeable engines and suspensions, and only the UI(outside) is different.
    No, because Android apps do not use the kernel, they use the android API and run in the Dalvik virtual machine. You could change the kernel to the Windows kernel, and android apps would be none the wiser. In that respect, anyone that says that Android is an example of the success of Linux really doesn't understand Android, because the kernel it runs is an implementation detail, and irrelevant to the platform.
    You're right that Windows phone 8 and Windows 8 use the same kernel and much of the same other stuff on top of that. You're also right that both systems support the Windows Runtime API. Whether they're truly the "same" OS is just a technicality that can be argued for either side. In the end, though, MS calls the OS on phones "Windows Phone 8", the OS on ARM "Windows RT", and the OS on x86 machines "Windows 8" or "Windows 8 pro." Using "Windows 8" to describe all of them is, well, kind of ambiguous.


    P.S.
    Android command line apps can be compiled directly from native code and run separately from any JVM. It's not done too often, but it is done. For example, see texlive for android and busybox for android. It's got the same kernel and low level APIs. It's just tuned differently and has a different user interface.
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