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  1. #31


    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Ok. A "flip" takes about 1 second. A pin takes 1 second. So now you have your link pinned to the taskbar...and it's off to work again... The "view" will remain and return to desktop by hotspot - 1 second.
    Yes, it doesn't take long to flip. However, for somebody like me who can easily get distracted, I could flip away from desktop, see something on the news tile and then get swept away and forget to return for a few minutes. I know, I know...just delete the news tile so I'm not distracted.

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    You don't have to delete or uninstall the news tile, just turn off the live tile. Some folks may find live tiles useful, but I have no use for them. All live tiles are turned off. For heavens sake, the last thing I need is a live news ticker. If needed ok, ... but whatever works. This computer room is flooded with satellite radio all the time. Info overload. Even so, that is partially what thumbnails and snapping edges are for. Some apps do better than others with snap. News in the snap on left (or right) and desktop work on right (or left).
    The snappy works best with headlines only or something that fits in as a thumbnail otherwise, to read something, it will go full screen.

    The desktop is still there, by way of hotspot. I have never used a virtual box or any type of virtualization (from what I have read) so the edges might work better (not virtualized) if the mouse pointer can be run directly into the corners without having to be gentle.

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  3. #33


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    I don't think I've ever has the problem of Windows 8 being "distracting." It could be just me, but if I need something pinned or something opened, I just find it from the Start Screen, just as I would had with the menu.
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    Hype


    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    But young people are not necessarily stupid. What's wrong with "hype?" Hype is a good word. Hype is used in all kinds of advertising. As I said elsewhere, this is international in scope, and many are philosophically opposed to commercial interest.
    Hype is good?

    Word Origin & History

    hype
    "excessive or misleading publicity or advertising," 1967, Amer.Eng. (the verb is attested from 1937), probably in part a back-formation of hyperbole, but also from underworld slang sense "swindle by overcharging or short-changing" (1926), a back-formation of hyper "short-change con man" (1914), from prefix hyper- meaning "over, to excess." Also possibly influenced by drug addicts' slang hype, 1913 shortening of hypodermic needle. In early 18c., hyp "morbid depression of the spirits" was colloquial for hypochondria (usually as the hyp or the hyps).

    Hype | Define Hype at Dictionary.com


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    Wow! 1967 - 1937 - 1926 - 1914 - 1913 - Wow!

    Aren't we up to date? If I am not mistaken, this is the year 2012.

    Hype: - to stimulate, excite, create interest in, to intensify advertising promotion or publicity.

    I do not believe trick, cheat, swindle or deception applies to a Microsoft Operating System.
    Their current desktop product is awesome. It handles any number of high performing CAD, photo, finance, multi tasking applications, or network security layers. All tasks I have used it for are working very well. It will be deployed to 400 million+ devices worldwide and there is no going back to the past.
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  6. #36


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    Take this how you wish, but I am not pulling punches here.....
    There are many people who just can not handle change

    However,

    Had MS not included a full blown Desk in Win8, or if they ever get rid of it completely, that will be the end of Windows.

    I for one, will not buy Windows (or any OS) without a desktop. It is imperative to real computing to have a Real desktop to work with applications that you do not want Metroized.

    With that said, not all applications need to fully run in the desktop environment. Some are actually better as a Metro app.

    Such as....

    Simple eMail... Rather than having to configure an Outlook app or login to Yahoo, Hotmail, Gmail or whatever, I have all of them (5 accounts) added to Mail App. I login, click the Mail Icon and bam, I have all my email accounts access at one time. I can switch between them and see what I want and respond to what I want without having to login to 5 separate accounts. I have others that I have not added (some are junk mail, others are for different site/information stuff, and a couple are personal), unfortunately at this time, there are a couple I can't add as there is no support, or it is an additional price from the email account company. anyway, i digress...

    If you can not see the need or the simplicity of this, you either have no use for it (which is fine), or just don't like change (which is fine), but to say outright that it is useless, makes one completely ignorant of the facts that many will find it extremely useful.

    With that said,, no, it will not replace a good Corporate Email app like Outlook for business. That is just dumb.

    There are many applications out there that will still and must reside on the desktop only.
    This will not change for the foreseeable future, and for real computing, it should never change.

    To say Win8 is a complete failure already is also completely ignorant. it is extremely small minded in the grand scheme of things.

    Is it perfect? No, name one OS that is,, just one,, you can't, cause it doesn't exist.

    Is Win8 a good direction for MS to go? we will see, but it's not a horrible one. They could have done worse.

    When you can have a Real Tablet that becomes a Laptop and then a Real tablet with just a simple disconnect
    And you do not see the intrinsic beauty and simplicity of that, you are truly blind.

    Windows 8 is not perfect, but it is a good step in a direction of overall better computing.

    It reminds me of this....

    I played Borderlands for about a week straight waiting for Borderlands 2,,, when i finally installed it and started playing, I said "what the hell did they do to the GUI?" ugh, the game is great but this GUI sucks."
    Till after using it for a while, and actually it is better any many ways over the old one. I just didn't see it at first.

    I was the same with Win8 when I first booted it up. but now, I see many of the advantages.
    Yes, there need to be tweaks to it, yes it could be better.

    But it is not the end all be all of absolute horribleness so many are desperately trying to portray it as.
    Wow, that sentence sounds like just about every mainstream app that MS produce.
    Office 2003 to 2007 to 2010,, same sentence applies, as well as all the same arguments and now 2013
    Honestly, office 2013, is really pretty damn good.

    Here is a bit of nostalgia for you.....

    Start button introduced in Windows 95 "Oh my god what is that, should I click on it? What if I break something?" Trust me, there were a whole lot of people who felt that way about the good ol start button back in the day.

    "Why do i have to click start to access my applications, why aren't they just on my desktop?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    If I am not mistaken, this is the year 2012.
    Believe it or not, the English language wasn't invented in 2011.

    Windows re-imagined?
    Digitally Authentic?
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  8. #38


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    To tepid, your post is too long, imo, to quote, but I agree 100%. Calling it a failure before it is released is very small minded. The start screen is a great place for the average user to, well, umm, start. :-D
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    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Believe it or not, the English language wasn't invented in 2011.
    Windows re-imagined?
    Digitally Authentic?
    True. And American English slang differs from European English slang / or Australian English slang.
    Windows re-imagined is semantic language and is not meant to deceive IMO. Not sure what "digitally authentic" refers to. Windows 8 is a complete redesign of the architecture of Windows. The desktop part is similar in engineering to 7 but it had to be re-written to function seamlessly with WinRT. Microsoft has a right to "add features" and "remove features" to its OS even if many disapprove. It has been discussed elsewhere. I believe the MS engineering teams and design analysts have concluded that the new UI is an improvement (even if many disapprove or do not understand their decision). I wouldn't call it greed, but rather smart business enterprising even if many disapprove.

    Do you get CSI: Miami in Australia? I would like to know what kind of OS they use. It probably does not exist.
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    Digitally authentic isn't Aero design, or mac os design for sure as it is the opposite of such. Digital authentic design is taking the RGB pixels on the screen and using those pixel colors. It sounds like a simple concept that every other UI design is, but it's not. You wouldn't take a piece of metal and make it look like wood or vice versa. You would make the wood look like wood and make the metal look like metal. You wouldn't take a piece of glass and make pixels render that. You wouldn't take metal and make pixels render that. Or, you wouldn't take real, physical objects and render them on a screen for a UI. You would design it digitally, things that look digitally right.
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