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Do you want Aero?

  1. #221


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    It's called UX or User eXperience. It's a common industry term and denotes everything from design to branding.

    The new UI is a brand. Like it or not, Microsoft is selling that brand, in computers, web sites, etc.. Notice how all their websites (including MSN) are all redesigned to have similar style.

    Aero Glass did not fit their new brand. And they want a single, unified style. However, it's not all just marketing. There were some technical reasons for this as well. The single biggest was that Glass interfaces tended to take up a lot of screen real-estate with a lot of wasted space. This is a big deal on tablets and phones, where screen size is limited. Also, they don't use any of those effects on Tablets and Phones, so their desire is to make the general UI look mostly the same regardless.

    One of the things Microsoft learned from Vista was that you don't want two UI's (Aero Glass and Aero Basic). You're advocating they go back to that.

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  2. #222


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    Posts : 2,975
    Windows 10 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    It's called UX or User eXperience. It's a common industry term and denotes everything from design to branding.

    The new UI is a brand. Like it or not, Microsoft is selling that brand, in computers, web sites, etc.. Notice how all their websites (including MSN) are all redesigned to have similar style.

    Aero Glass did not fit their new brand. And they want a single, unified style. However, it's not all just marketing. There were some technical reasons for this as well. The single biggest was that Glass interfaces tended to take up a lot of screen real-estate with a lot of wasted space. This is a big deal on tablets and phones, where screen size is limited. Also, they don't use any of those effects on Tablets and Phones, so their desire is to make the general UI look mostly the same regardless.

    One of the things Microsoft learned from Vista was that you don't want two UI's (Aero Glass and Aero Basic). You're advocating they go back to that.
    Very nice explained.

    If you remember well on Vista and 7, you got those UAC prompts showing in Basic style while you were running Aero Glass.... and that's now fixed.
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  3. #223


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    Posts : 650
    Windows 8.1 Pro, iOS 7.1, Elementary OS


    This looks a lot like my old icon...
    LOL! bet it is.
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  4. #224


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    The single biggest was that Glass interfaces tended to take up a lot of screen real-estate with a lot of wasted space.
    How did Aero use up more space? Everything looks exactly the same to me except for the transparency. if anything Explorer takes up more room now than it did before because it has that ribbon thing (unless you close it)
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  5. #225


    Posts : 142
    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit (7 Ult, Vista & XP in V-Box)


    There was no valid reason to remove Aero transparency from the desktop.

    None at all.

    And I'll be putting it back as soon as someone writes a decent app to do so.

    It may be MS' OS, but it is MY computer, and I WILL have it set up the way I
    want, not MS or anyone else.

    This furphy about it causing a performance-hit is just that, a furphy.
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  6. #226


    Posts : 149
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64-Bit, Ubuntu 13.04 64-Bit


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    It's called UX or User eXperience. It's a common industry term and denotes everything from design to branding.

    The new UI is a brand. Like it or not, Microsoft is selling that brand, in computers, web sites, etc.. Notice how all their websites (including MSN) are all redesigned to have similar style.

    Aero Glass did not fit their new brand. And they want a single, unified style. However, it's not all just marketing. There were some technical reasons for this as well. The single biggest was that Glass interfaces tended to take up a lot of screen real-estate with a lot of wasted space. This is a big deal on tablets and phones, where screen size is limited. Also, they don't use any of those effects on Tablets and Phones, so their desire is to make the general UI look mostly the same regardless.

    One of the things Microsoft learned from Vista was that you don't want two UI's (Aero Glass and Aero Basic). You're advocating they go back to that.
    If having two UIs mean I get a freakin CHOICE in having one I ACTUALLY LIKE on MY computer then YES I advocate it. I don't give a crap if there's 50 UIs in Windows, as long as I can have the one I like available to me as an option.

    You know what else eliminates personal freedom and forces people into only one choice, while trying/claiming to make everyone and everything completely equal and unified? Communism. I, for one, do not want that to creep into my life, whether it's on the computer or outside of it.

    Besides, Windows has had two UIs since Windows XP (Luna and classic; more if you patched the uxtheme.dll!). Vista and 7 actually had THREE. That is, Aero (composited), Basic (GDI), and Classic (GDI). Microsoft held on to that ugly Windows '95 look up until Windows 8. Now it's just FlatMetroUglyCrap (composited). No other options. None. Third party will add some, but transparency is gone... and probably for good. This is unacceptable.
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  7. #227


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Wow. Just. Wow. I have no words to express how ridiculous that last comment is. Seriously. Wow. You forgot to mention Nazis, and Aliens and Ascended Beings.

    Communism? Really? REALLY? What is this, McCarthy's 50's all over again?

    Transparency is not gone. Obviously, you can see that the taskbar is transparent. You can see that Aero Peek has transparency.

    Windows 8, like 7, Vista, and XP before it still has the uxtheme system, and StarDock and others will be updating their theming tools to work with it. You will get your transparency if you want it.

    Wow. Just wow.
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  8. #228


    Posts : 149
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64-Bit, Ubuntu 13.04 64-Bit


    Windowblinds in 7 utilized the native, built-in DWM functions when providing alternate skins in Vista and 7. Thing is, those DWM functions have been 100% removed altogether from the code completely. This means that in order for transparency (on the window borders) to return, stardock would literally have to completely replace the borders with a new system altogether (which in the past, like with the method used in XP, showed to be buggy and incompatible with a lot of programs' window borders and also resource intensive compared to the native methods provided by MS in vista/7). I just don't see how it'll be done properly, with all the native OS-level code being gone. At best, we'll get some kinda weird awkward hack-in that likely breaks any program that draws stuff in the caption bar or does other custom work (which a lot now do, like chrome, firefox, office, and so on which draw their tabs and extra buttons/logos in this space).

    Also, the taskbar transparency hardly counts because it's barely transparent and the blur effect is gone as well. The transparency on the OSX menubar is quite a bit more noticable.

    You're calling my comment ridiculous, yet it's very true. You seem to be quite in favor of 'one look for ALL the peoples', but not all of us are. Some of us really want our options back. And some of us really don't wanna have to shell out $20 to get a look back we already had before, and it may not even work properly across the system (if at all) like the native one did before.
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  9. #229


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Lazure View Post
    Windowblinds in 7 utilized the native, built-in DWM functions when providing alternate skins in Vista and 7. Thing is, those DWM functions have been 100% removed altogether from the code completely.
    How is it that you know that? I would find that very hard to believe, given that transparency is still used in other areas.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lazure View Post
    You're calling my comment ridiculous, yet it's very true. You seem to be quite in favor of 'one look for ALL the peoples', but not all of us are. Some of us really want our options back. And some of us really don't wanna have to shell out $20 to get a look back we already had before, and it may not even work properly across the system (if at all) like the native one did before.
    I am not in favor of one look for everyone. I'm merely explaining why Microsoft chose to do things the way they did.

    I'm all for customization, the more the better. But the default look should be consistent. If you change it, so be it.
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  10. #230


    This thread has taken strange turns, but even though late, I will answer the original question.

    No.

    I was initially a fan of Aero in previous versions of windows, but the novelty wore off. I guess I am a fan of function over form when it comes to switching applications.
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