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Do you want Aero?

  1. #211


    Orbiting the Moon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I could become an app designer for the Windows 8!
    What's stopping you?

    We would love some COKE apps!

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  2. #212


    DeLand, FL
    Posts : 380
    Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Just a random side note. And no, I don't really care for Aero. I do care more about a beautifully designed metro UI. A well designed metro UI beats any Aero design hands down. I reference the Zune Software. By the way, I don't know if anyone has noticed, but it seems like some of the major apps that have been coming to Windows 8, the developers just don't seem to be grasping the metro design concept very well. There are some real good ones, but overall, most seem more minimalist than anything. I could become an app designer for the Windows 8!
    Coke, are you a developer? Have you spent any time studying the Bauhaus design methodology? Have you studied what it takes to implement applications in the Metro (i.e. XAML?). If not, then please be careful about making comments about how much better you would design it. No offense man, but I'm studying it as we speak and as a developer I can tell you it is a steep learning curve. Developers may only be going "minimalist" (as you call it) because they're simply trying to get something out there right now. Developing sharp looking (let alone sophisticated touch-response) applications is very difficult, particularly when you're constantly learning new methodologies. The tools are excellent but my brain is on overload right now trying to ingest the methodology change.

    Give the developers (including me) some time to ingest all this. It ain't simple.

    -Max
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  3. #213


    Orbiting the Moon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Peck View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Just a random side note. And no, I don't really care for Aero. I do care more about a beautifully designed metro UI. A well designed metro UI beats any Aero design hands down. I reference the Zune Software. By the way, I don't know if anyone has noticed, but it seems like some of the major apps that have been coming to Windows 8, the developers just don't seem to be grasping the metro design concept very well. There are some real good ones, but overall, most seem more minimalist than anything. I could become an app designer for the Windows 8!
    Coke, are you a developer? Have you spent any time studying the Bauhaus design methodology? Have you studied what it takes to implement applications in the Metro (i.e. XAML?). If not, then please be careful about making comments about how much better you would design it. No offense man, but I'm studying it as we speak and as a developer I can tell you it is a steep learning curve. Developers may only be going "minimalist" (as you call it) because they're simply trying to get something out there right now. Developing sharp looking (let alone sophisticated touch-response) applications is very difficult, particularly when you're constantly learning new methodologies. The tools are excellent but my brain is on overload right now trying to ingest the methodology change.

    Give the developers (including me) some time to ingest all this. It ain't simple.

    -Max
    I know what you mean...

    Design patterns, the testing and development process, not to mention programming!
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  4. #214


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Max Peck View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Just a random side note. And no, I don't really care for Aero. I do care more about a beautifully designed metro UI. A well designed metro UI beats any Aero design hands down. I reference the Zune Software. By the way, I don't know if anyone has noticed, but it seems like some of the major apps that have been coming to Windows 8, the developers just don't seem to be grasping the metro design concept very well. There are some real good ones, but overall, most seem more minimalist than anything. I could become an app designer for the Windows 8!
    Coke, are you a developer? Have you spent any time studying the Bauhaus design methodology? Have you studied what it takes to implement applications in the Metro (i.e. XAML?). If not, then please be careful about making comments about how much better you would design it. No offense man, but I'm studying it as we speak and as a developer I can tell you it is a steep learning curve. Developers may only be going "minimalist" (as you call it) because they're simply trying to get something out there right now. Developing sharp looking (let alone sophisticated touch-response) applications is very difficult, particularly when you're constantly learning new methodologies. The tools are excellent but my brain is on overload right now trying to ingest the methodology change.

    Give the developers (including me) some time to ingest all this. It ain't simple.

    -Max
    Oh I'm not saying it's easy, I'm not trying to offend. And yes, I've studied some of the Bauhaus design philosophy. I've also studied how Windows Phone apps are developed, but that's not totally relevant.

    I'm more or less saying that knowing a lot of the metro design concept and have used software designed with such for a couple of years now, I think I could render some services helping developers to make a beautifully designed Windows 8 app.
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  5. #215


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by TerryE View Post
    Coke,

    What apps would you consider the best that you have seen so far?
    From the one's I've used, it's USA Today, Bing Weather (so far the best designed weather app), Cocktail Flow (being the BEST one), Cookbook, Movie Guide, Skype, and SkyDrive (ok example).

    I would say that Xbox Music is nicely designed, but it's not. Honestly, the Zune software's UI could had been used for some it. For example, the music library (or collection) screen filtered by artists would had been perfect; you can scroll through on the left side through your artists, scroll through albums by artist in the center, and scroll through songs by artist on the right side. And it would had been better to put in better filtering. The main panorama screen can be kept in Xbox Music, but making it a little more....metro. Some of the UI controls can be taken down a notch as it isn't too difficult to tap or click on them. A better Now Playing visualizer should be used, like Zune's. There just isn't enough of the digital motion, or animation, to Xbox Music like there is with Zune. They're usually subtle and here and there, but it makes the user experience better, at least to me. Xbox Music doesn't offer that. At least YET.

    OH! I just remembered, the Tom's Hardware and Guide apps. They're nice, but not totally giving the feeling of immersion. I'd like to see some more full fleshed content mostly. A good way to organize would to break up the different subcategories into a main panorama, where the most recent content is show. Kind of like the way USA Today does it, but different, it would show more per section. I wonder how it would look like too if the different sections of the panorama had photo backgrounds. For example, the Reviews section would have an image from each review article, like an AMD Radeon 7870 review would have that as a relevant image, and those different images would be in a mosaic. The best example I can give is on The Verge's website, where they have the day's top articles and posts in a colored hue mosaic.

    If I were to design an app in general, I'd use system accent colors, kind of like how Windows Phone does it. Windows Phone apps that use the system accent color give the overall feeling of everything being integrated. Third party apps feel like native first party ones and such. Windows 8 needs to have some of that I believe.
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  6. #216


    DeLand, FL
    Posts : 380
    Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Oh I'm not saying it's easy, I'm not trying to offend. And yes, I've studied some of the Bauhaus design philosophy. I've also studied how Windows Phone apps are developed, but that's not totally relevant.

    I'm more or less saying that knowing a lot of the metro design concept and have used software designed with such for a couple of years now, I think I could render some services helping developers to make a beautifully designed Windows 8 app.
    No offense taken.

    Actually, the way the screen designs are done using XAML this is exactly the design mode that Microsoft is trying to encourage. They have Visual Studio for prototyping and developing the app itself and the "Blend" application for graphic-designers to design the actual appearance of the GUI. The programmers themselves don't necessarily have to be in on the front-end design other than the basic functionality of the app. The graphics designer would then take the app and "pretty it up" using Blend.

    -Max
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  7. #217


    I wonder if it's easy to learn(probably not) the coding for the apps. The biggest disappointment of the apps comes with xbox music and video, zune software was great(especially a few previous versions) zune HD showed good use of typography and visual cues. Xbox music/video however is a bland and depressing. Gradient grey in the background looks like a prison. The only good thing is the tracking button on the trackbar while in the newest iteration of zune software it's hard to see here it's much easier even though the color is not ideal. Other than that though it doesn't have the fun of the zune software it is replacing(assuming it is supposed to be a replacement). Assuming they are following design principles there is some functionality that needs to be worked on.
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  8. #218


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    Quote Originally Posted by tseven View Post
    I wonder if it's easy to learn(probably not) the coding for the apps. The biggest disappointment of the apps comes with xbox music and video, zune software was great(especially a few previous versions) zune HD showed good use of typography and visual cues. Xbox music/video however is a bland and depressing. Gradient grey in the background looks like a prison. The only good thing is the tracking button on the trackbar while in the newest iteration of zune software it's hard to see here it's much easier even though the color is not ideal. Other than that though it doesn't have the fun of the zune software it is replacing(assuming it is supposed to be a replacement). Assuming they are following design principles there is some functionality that needs to be worked on.
    Learning to code is never an easy proposition unless you've been doing it for awhile, even then software development done well can be excruciatingly difficult. Oh yeah, a complete newbie could probably follow a tutorial on how to write a "Hello, World" program but the learning curve for a new platform can be steep. Fortunately I've been writing C# for several years. So far I'm just learning how the XAML works for developing the GUI front-end. I'm not entirely sure I'm going to be writing anything of significance for Metro, I'm just studying the methodology behind it right now.

    That's not to discourage you from trying it, just be aware that it's like any other discipline. I've been doing it for 36+ years myself.

    -Max
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  9. #219


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    There was once a picture I saw of that describes how a novice game developer thought it would be like, but really what it's like... I wonder if I can find it...
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  10. #220


    What bugs me most about this Aero thing is that there's no technical reason why it had to be removed. If you point at the lower right corner, the Aero Peak function still works and even has different levels of opacity for layered up windows. Even if you pull up the Charms bar and look at the clock it has some subtle transparency to it. I can do without the glass stripes, but I liked the transparency. The blur would be a huge bonus but I'm alright without it.
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