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As a supporter of Windows 8:
What does the "Microsoft Store" have to do with it? How is Windows 8 not suitable for the enterprise if the
"Microsoft Store" is not part of the equation?

The "Microsoft Store" can be blocked and denied access to using the local group policy editor.

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Enterprise Workstation Multi Monitor Support:

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Programs can be launched from start or all apps.
...or taskbar or desktop or other so...

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When extending monitors you can multi task as many programs as
you can fit or use inside of the monitors.

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When launching something into extended screens, all one need do
is drag what you need to the appropriate screen.

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DVD support can be easily added
 

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How is Windows 8 not suitable for the enterprise if the
"Microsoft Store" is not part of the equation?
Because the UI change requires training, newly written documentation, etc. Also, some may not find the new UI efficient and effective, thus resulting in potential lost employee productivity.
 

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Is there any chance it could increase productivity with better hardware support over Windows XP and offset the upgrade and retraining costs? Also, is there any statistical data that has determined that the new UI is inefficient and ineffective? (remove the emotion)

Do you think the software engineers and the Microsoft Corporation, with review, recommendation and analysis procedures (2012), would release an inefficient and ineffective Operating System?
 

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The focused production platform is flexible enough to accommodate a variety of technical applications using both WinRT and Win32 services in Windows 8. The Win32 environment is currently where all work is done. Online tickers and complex layered networking structures would not conflict with Operating System management. Any development and installation of software would necessarily have to comply with the type of environment to be utilized. The "enterprise" functions in the Win32 environment and would not be affected by the existence of WinRT services.
 
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Is there any chance it could increase productivity with better hardware support over Windows XP
I don't think that the lost productivity in business is from lack of hardware support. In the case of my business, we aren't running many XP machines at all these days, it's all Vista and 7.


Also, is there any statistical data that has determined that the new UI is inefficient and ineffective? (remove the emotion)
Nothing official that I have seen. But keeping in mind that going from XP to Vista took some effort and going from XP to Windows 7 took some effort...considering there is substantially more change in Windows 8, it would have to be expected that it would require more work to train. You gotta remember, for many office computer workers, they aren't enthusiasts and computer experts, they have just learned how to do particular tasks by clicking on this, that, and then the other thing. You change up everything and either 1). they won't find it 2). they will simply sit there and play and try to figure out where everything went. These things will lead to productivity issues.



Do you think the software engineers and the Microsoft Corporation, with review, recommendation and analysis procedures (2012), would release an inefficient and ineffective Operating System?
Yes, you must not remember the launch of Windows Vista. Microsoft is scrambling right now to combat the loss of customers to iPad's and touch centric systems. They didn't make these changes to extend and grow the Windows interface as we have known it over the past 20 years.

Only time will tell whether the general population likes the change.
 

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I have heard a lot about the failure of Vista, so to speak. I used it for 2 years and never had a problem with it. No driver problems, it never froze, the desktop was nice looking. Frankly, I had no compelling reason to upgrade to 7 except it came with a new computer by default. As far as releasing an ineffective and inefficient OS, that kind of criticism is a bit unfair for the programmers. I always view this from a programmers point of view. I'll bet when the designers made their presentation to the suits, the internal reviews were adequate.

The scope of the "needs of the many" is not always obvious since things change all the time. Right now for instance, as many have, I have been using 8 for almost a year. Many have had all kinds of issues and continue to have issues. My experience has been one of zero problems.

As far as the office secretary is concerned, as one example, she might get "used" to punching a tile real quick. She might even like it better than a menu. So, if a company does not need anything now, that's fine.
 
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mdmd said:
Do you think the software engineers and the Microsoft Corporation, with review, recommendation and analysis procedures (2012), would release an inefficient and ineffective Operating System?
Yes.
mdmd said:
Programs can be launched from start or all apps. ...or taskbar or desktop or other so...
...or unofficial Start Menu replacement?
mdmd said:
How is Windows 8 not suitable for the enterprise if the "Microsoft Store" is not part of the equation?
It depends on how much the Metro UI will interfere with productity. If poeple can work all day long on the desktop without seeing the Start Screen poping up for no reason, then I think it can be ok. Adding support to disable Metro entirely may be the easiest solution.
 

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But according to design analysis experts, the start screen, edge UI, all apps, hot corners and edge thumbnailing is more efficient and effective than an ORB system. Remove the Microsoft Store and just view the machine as a workplace unit. Office employees are not usually unable to function. The new interface may take some getting used to but in the end might be a better option. Also, pinning to the desktop window, taskbar, and other means is still available. The start screen itself is not necessarily required. The all apps area is.
 
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Enterprise Resource Planning solutions can be integrated directly into the desktop environment. WinRT is a compliment to the usage plan. WinRT works in seamless execution with Win32 so that no conflict with advanced multilayered networked systems when applied to the Operating System would occur. In a purely functional environment, a Windows 8 workstation can function within the normal parameters of what a sophisticated business might require.
 
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But according to design analysis experts, the start screen, edge UI, all apps, hot corners and edge thumb nailing is more efficient and effective than an ORB system.

Depends on the expert.
 

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This is true. Disable app support and Store, you have a purely Desktop based OS with a couple of exceptions.

The only learning curve that I see with that and could be overcome is simply this:
-Tell the user to click where they have always clicked for the Start button
-Show the user how to open the Settings charm
-Explain how PC Settings work and how it condenses frequently used settings in one place
-Tell the user all they need to do is type at Start to seach

This is of course considering if the enterprise was running Windows 7 already as the Desktop wouldn't be new.

If it wasn't:
-Show how Taskbar pinning works
-Show and explain jumplists
-Then go over the new UI of Windows 8 (the four things I've mentioned)

I think the learning curve is exaggerated if you look at from that angle.

If the enterprise already has Windows 7 in mainstream use, and is considering ipads for mobile support or some other needed reason that the ipad works good for, a Windows 8 Tablet PC is a better option as it doesn't mean upending everything just to support a trinket device. So if the user already knows Windows 7, they just need to know how to use the metro aspect, which in itself isn't too difficult.
-Teach the user the edge swiping gestures, top, bottom, and sides
-Show how app snap works
-Show how closing apps is done
-Mention more that the Settings charm and swiping from the bottom is how app settings are changed
-Show the other Charms, like Share and Devices

Overall, there will be learning curve regardless. It's just how it's mitigated and how effective the training is.
 

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Ouch! You mentioned the "tablet" no, no! We are referring to heavy duty work like financial offices, lawyers offices, wall street, global systems on a massive scale, banks, ... not mobile anything. Nothing mobile. No touch. Heavily networked systems that cannot be disconnected by movement. A touch monitor could be introduced at the appropriate level, but desktop workstations only for the most part. That's the enterprise. Work only. No device movement due to hard wired networked and multi monitored environment. One has to think of 8 "in the enterprise" as an upgrade to 7 with the complete removal of frivolous and unneeded activities or distractions. Productivity is key, hardwired networking is essential. Enterprise personnel required to monitor online tickers, heavy email use, spreadsheets by the dozens, analysis applications, separately networked login systems for security and response. Like a workstation environment that requires 40 workstations that run through 3 servers and a printer server, etc... Hard core activities. No non sense. That's the high end. Or a doctors health group, that could have 20 offices linked to other sites and servers for medical records data storage. It's all about the desktop workstation as a means to an end.

As far as training goes, the basic Windows 8 UI is not all that complicated for an intelligent person to figure out. A simple 3 or 4 page quick start guide may be enough. If a person makes it to the employ of a major enterprise, one would have to expect that they know what they are doing. It could easily become second nature to most. Technical support is always required in an office environment no matter what Operating System is used.
 
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Um, BYOD has increasingly become part of the enterprise environment, and tablets are a part of that. Regardless of this trend, I don't see why everyone is so hung up on the Win 8 UI that they forget the Desktop is still there.
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Personally I don't think the changes from the start menu / Orb to the start screen is a major deal breaker, but I think that Microsoft have made it a little too inflexible. the average business user does not run more than a few apps in their work scenario, so the flat design is not a problem but more ability to customise the interface would be useful for the enterprise.

The ability to present the user with a custom company lock screen and then start screen, with live information that is relevant to that user, Their Shedule, Their recent messages, (eMail, announcements, Special offers in the canteen ;) ), Their current work, plus the apps they need. The advantage is that this information is presented directly to the user without the need to click a start orb.

I think that the ability to "brand" the start screen for a company would be welcomed by many, ( I know you can use a background but a little more would be nice, Tile colours etc.).

It may well be as the OS develops and the third parties begin to support it these additions will come, but it would have been better that they were available from the start, Any OS developer wants to have a corporate image, Microsoft is no exception to this and thus they do not like too much customisation, but likewise the other enterprises want their own identity to be presented to their workforce
 

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But according to design analysis experts, the start screen, edge UI, all apps, hot corners and edge thumb nailing is more efficient and effective than an ORB system.

Someone once asked the professor in charge of the university electronics department how to define an electronics expert. He replied:

X stands for nothing. And spurt is what comes out of a tap under pressure.
 

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Personally I don't think the changes from the start menu / Orb to the start screen is a major deal breaker, but I think that Microsoft have made it a little too inflexible. the average business user does not run more than a few apps in their work scenario, so the flat design is not a problem but more ability to customise the interface would be useful for the enterprise. The ability to present the user with a custom company lock screen and then start screen, with live information that is relevant to that user, Their Shedule, Their recent messages, (eMail, announcements, Special offers in the canteen ;) ), Their current work, plus the apps they need. The advantage is that this information is presented directly to the user without the need to click a start orb. I think that the ability to "brand" the start screen for a company would be welcomed by many, ( I know you can use a background but a little more would be nice, Tile colours etc.). It may well be as the OS develops and the third parties begin to support it these additions will come, but it would have been better that they were available from the start, Any OS developer wants to have a corporate image, Microsoft is no exception to this and thus they do not like too much customisation, but likewise the other enterprises want their own identity to be presented to their workforce
It's not a terribly big functional change, and the start screen is only slightly worse than the old start menu. Even so, any change costs a lot of money in enterprise IT. Even if it was a lot better(it can be argued that it's a little bit better), the fact that it's different is often a deal breaker in enterprise.
 

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But according to design analysis experts, the start screen, edge UI, all apps, hot corners and edge thumb nailing is more efficient and effective than an ORB system.
Someone once asked the professor in charge of the university electronics department how to define an electronics expert. He replied: X stands for nothing. And spurt is what comes out of a tap under pressure.
Yeah, I posted the picture of such "expert" a few days ago. ;)
Barman said:
start screen, with live information that is relevant to that user,
"relevant to the user"?.... Not in Microsoft's phylosophy. But feasable. Interresting ideas.
 

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This is true. Disable app support and Store, you have a purely Desktop based OS with a couple of exceptions.

The only learning curve that I see with that and could be overcome is simply this:
-Tell the user to click where they have always clicked for the Start button
-Show the user how to open the Settings charm
-Explain how PC Settings work and how it condenses frequently used settings in one place
-Tell the user all they need to do is type at Start to seach

This is of course considering if the enterprise was running Windows 7 already as the Desktop wouldn't be new.

If it wasn't:
-Show how Taskbar pinning works
-Show and explain jumplists
-Then go over the new UI of Windows 8 (the four things I've mentioned)

I think the learning curve is exaggerated if you look at from that angle.
-Teach the user the edge swiping gestures, top, bottom, and sides
-Show how app snap works
-Show how closing apps is done
-Mention more that the Settings charm and swiping from the bottom is how app settings are changed
-Show the other Charms, like Share and Devices

Overall, there will be learning curve regardless. It's just how it's mitigated and how effective the training is.

That seems like a lot of teach and show, for something you referred to as "simply this". Sounds like a lot of formal retraining to me.
 

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At this point, Microsoft is writing themselves out of the enterprise by releasing an OS that offers very little ROI and not very cost effective to upgrade over Win7 for large enterprise customers.

With many enterprise customers like us doing VDI and providing Windows app delivery by sandboxing the OS. We can deploy Windows 8 apps to any OS without having to present the user with the Windows 8 GUI.

I'm surprised the Windows 8 did not show customers how to take advantage of the hypervisor built in and now it will be up to businesses to figure out how to best utilize it.

Metro interface will be neutered for sure.
 

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This version of Windows is not being introduced as a corporate platform but rather as a product that appeals to "the next generation." I think Microsoft has plans to expand WinRT to other sophisticated device connecting network schemes with new software under development to include mobile devices within the framework of the Windows 8 architecture.

The future ?

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The Operating System code is flexible enough to handle many tasks. If "the enterprise" is to "keep up" with new hardware and software, it may be "required" or "inevitable" that some businesses upgrade. It probably would not be a good ROI now because there is a lack of need to include the features of Windows 8 in the field. That does not mean that Windows 8 is not enterprise capable. The inclusion of WinRT services has caused some confusion in the marketplace. From reading online of future trends, a static Win32 environment is limiting due to the advancement in mobile technology.
 
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