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Complaints about Windows 8 appear to be mostly lack of knowledge

  1. #31


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    Windows 7, Windows 8 RP


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    But IT DOESN'T - and that's not ignorance of what Metro is or isn't.
    Yes it is ignorance. It seems users are having a hard time to differentiate between desktop applications and Metro Apps. Your speaking as if Microsoft is looking to get rid of the desktop eventually and just have Metro, it's not going to happen. Microsoft's vision for tablets has always been that the desktop should not be sacrificed just because you are running Windows on a tablet. If that's their vision for tablets then why would they get rid of the desktop on a workstation? Desktop applications will remain, Metro Apps will mostly be for content consumption and seeing some of the iPad apps certain productivity apps can work well also depending on the industry.

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  2. #32


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Another case -- Photoshop users preparing large PROFESSIONAL quality RAW files for magazines etc - where the photoshop processing is exceedingly complex and you are using loads of layers --no way is full single screen metro operation going to work properly.

    There is no way whatsoever could I even THINK of using METRO for this type of stuff.

    The problem here is that people have their own ideas of how metro works for them and it should work just as easily for everybody else.

    But IT DOESN'T - and that's not ignorance of what Metro is or isn't.


    jimbo
    I think that's where the lack of knowledge part comes in. No, you really can't do that with a metro styled app as there isn't one in a WinRT environment. But the fact remains that Windows 8 is still a Desktop based OS regardless of the Start Screen or metro apps. It's still the backbone of it. Yes, it is more touch based, but Windows has been for some time already. Yes, you need to do a bit of work to get things more for the Desktop, but the Start Screen already lends itself out to configuration for such.
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  3. #33


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Or it could be that some people just refuse to learn something different and are better suited to just learn new features, versus a new UI....
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  4. #34


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    Windows Server 2012 Standard w/Hyper-V


    It's not a preference, it's how Windows 8 works.
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  5. #35


    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin I
    No matter how good Metro is going to be (see it progressing), as long as it can't accommodate multiply screens and multiple opened application windows (cascaded or tiled). Then desktop or the like will stay as one of many user preferences.
    They already introduced a way to run two Metro apps side by side on the Metro UI. Thought it's not obvious and you need xyz resolution or 2 monitors (I don't remember). I expect them to add support for more multiple windows in the Metro UI (perhaps dividing the screen area by 2, 4, 6 and 8), adding some sort of pinning (where you could pin an open app into a corner for quick access), resizing (!) and finaly make it look more and more like a desktop while making paintaking effort to keep it different from the normal desktop. Then they will be able to advertise "great improvement" in UI... LOL.
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  6. #36


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    Windows 8.1 + StartIsBack + AeroGlass


    I'm not paying for a system that gives me nothing of value and forces a touch UI that I don't want or need. But sure, yeah, you know better than me what I want, so it must be that I lack knowledge, whatever that means.
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  7. #37


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Now when I try and explain what I need a computer for, I can show at least ONE application I use daily that I'd be surprised if AS MUCH AS 5% of even experienced windows users had ever even heard of much less actually USED it -- SAP/ERM (as well as SAP CRM) - and so would not have a clue about the difficulties of "Metroizing" something like this.
    It's funny you say this, as I just heard the CEO of SAP today talking about their new releases of apps for tablets and phones. It seems that even SAP thinks this is the way of the future.
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  8. #38


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    Vista and Win7


    The SAP applications are mostely industrial applications. For those it may be handy to use e.g. a tablet on the shopfloor rather than a full blown laptop.
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  9. #39


    Hafnarfjörður IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    The SAP applications are mostely industrial applications. For those it may be handy to use e.g. a tablet on the shopfloor rather than a full blown laptop.
    Hi there
    SAP applications aren't at all always industrial.

    For example a huge amount are CRM / SRM type stuff (Shopping Carts etc), BW (Business Warehouse) type of applications -- these type of applications retrieve data for management as statistical stuff (for example footfall at shopping malls etc -- you can't do this stuff via Classical transactional stuff), HR applications and any sort of financial stuff such as AR / AP / Payroll.

    There's zillions more applications that SAP can be used for and it's not always "Industrial".

    In any case my point was to say if you DO use any type of SAP application then W8 Metro really isn't fit for purpose due to the ridiculous Full screen only (or the absurd half screen bit) way of running applications.

    You really DO need a classical windows desktop interface to run SAP GUI. There's also NO way this side of the expected probable life of the universe that SAP will have anything to do with Microsoft's "Store".

    Some single purpose stuff like "Shop Floor papers" in a manufacturing process could be done on a tablet -- but remember as an ERP system very few processes can be isolated like that. SAP integrates production , procurement, planning etc etc so it's only in rare cases could you use a tablet.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  10. #40


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    In any case my point was to say if you DO use any type of SAP application then W8 Metro really isn't fit for purpose due to the ridiculous Full screen only (or the absurd half screen bit) way of running applications.
    And yet the CEO of SAP was just on CNN talking about all their new Tablet and Phone based apps. Perhaps you should let their CEO know that this is impossible.
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