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    Last edited by mdmd; 29 Aug 2012 at 17:00.

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  2. #12


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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Yes, the WinRT APIs are not built on top of win32, but everything else(services, explorer, logon, task engine, etc..) is built on win32. WinRT is free of win32, but it requires extensive win32 based life support to survive, and is quite fragile.
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    True, true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phailyoor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hopachi View Post
    What the.. Who said the Desktop is an App?
    Many silly people. Some are on these forums.
    The Desktop *WINDOW* is a metro app. It's quite easy to tell. When you're on the desktop, bring your cursor to the top of the screen and notice the hand icon. Click and drag and you can see that the desktop window becomes a small window you can drag and dock in a metro snap.

    Also, Metro is *NOT* an overlay on Windows Explorer. The start screen is, but Metro itself is not. This is very easy to prove, particularly if you have two screens. Start a metro app, I used Messenger. bring up task manager on the second screen. Kill the base Explorer process, notice that messenger still works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hopachi View Post
    YES!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Also, Metro is *NOT* an overlay on Windows Explorer. The start screen is, but Metro itself is not. This is very easy to prove, particularly if you have two screens. Start a metro app, I used Messenger. bring up task manager on the second screen. Kill the base Explorer process, notice that messenger still works.
    Notice that you can't actually snap, close, move, or switch any metro things without the explorer process. Also, if you suspend winlogon and kill dwm, then it will go away completely(kill explorer first, or you will regret it).
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    dwm stands for Display Window Manager. It's what merges the two subsystems into a single display. So it's not surprising that if you kill the thing which allows interaction between both subsystems, you can't interact with the subsystems. That's just brilliant logic there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    dwm stands for Display Window Manager. It's what merges the two subsystems into a single display. So it's not surprising that if you kill the thing which allows interaction between both subsystems, you can't interact with the subsystems. That's just brilliant logic there.
    Actually, the desktop works just fine without DWM. If you use a shell replacement such as explorer7, the windows system is fully functional without desktop composition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phailyoor View Post
    Actually, the desktop works just fine without DWM. If you use a shell replacement such as explorer7, the windows system is fully functional without desktop composition.
    You didn't actually read what I wrote. Instead, you responded to something you think I said. Let me repeat. DWM merges the two subsystems. So the fact that you can't use both if you kill DWM is not exactly rocket science.
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