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What is Metro?

  1. #21


    Quote Originally Posted by Robert
    I noticed all you do is complain.
    What else could I do? As long as they don't make Metro optionable, I'll be complaining. My voice doesn't count? True. But I'm among the 600 million of w7 users who will feel the same. When there will be 1% of windows users (about 10 million poeple) complaining maybe Microsoft will think of requestioning their all-for-Metro strategy. That will come very fast.
    Quote Originally Posted by mystere
    Windows is whatever Microsoft says it is.
    No, it's whatever the users say it is. If we say it's pile of crap, then it is. Our view is what matters. If we say it's W7 with a gadget layer over the desktop then that's how we see it and that's how we experience it. MS should shut up their face and listen to us. We are giving them money to code softwares, not the other way round. The day Microsofot pays me, for a job or whatever, then I'll be listening to what Microsoft has to say. No problem. But as long as it's me who, collectively with others, is giving a job to the poeple at Microsoft, then it's their job to listen to us, and meet our demands. They can also ignore our complains and as a consequence ignore our money too. But then, they shouldn't pretend to make a revolution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredledingue View Post
    MS should shut up their face and listen to us.
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  3. #23


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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Travis View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fredledingue View Post
    MS should shut up their face and listen to us.
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    Neeeeever!
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  4. #24


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredledingue View Post
    No, it's whatever the users say it is.
    No, it's whatever Microsoft says it is. They own the trademark. They pay the programmers. They pay the graphic designers. They pay the marketers and the project managers and whatever else. They own it. It's theirs. If they want to turn it into a bike for fish, then they can.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fredledingue View Post
    MS should shut up their face and listen to us. We are giving them money to code softwares, not the other way round.
    And there's your problem. You do not pay Microsoft money to code software. You pay Microsoft for a product. If you don't want that product, you don't buy it. If you do like it, you pay them. You are not in charge of what MS delivers.

    When you go shopping for a car, you don't buy a Ford Taurus and demand they give you a 500 instead. If you want a 500, you buy a 500. If you want a Taurus, you buy a Taurus. Microsoft is selling something called Windows 8. If you don't want it, don't buy it. That's the limit of what your money can do.

    If you want an OS designed exactly the way you want, then I suggest you hire some 10,000 programmers to give it to you. Otherwise, your measly $200 wouldn't even get a single programmer to show up. Windows is a product, it's not a custom piece of software designed specifically for you. So don't act like it is.
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    Whenever any criticism is levelled at W8, the stock answer is: If you don't like it, don't buy it. Which is really an admission that such criticisms are indefensible; and the answer is a red herring, because it doesn't deal with the actual issues.

    The demurrings in this forum have been levelled at M$ in the hope of getting their attention; as well as discrediting false representation of W8 to be something it's not.

    However, in reality, the "don't buy it bleating" is actually the best response, because not buying it is the only thing that might get Microsoft's Ostrich head out of the sand.

    This ties in with the much touted perception of M$ being entitled to chase the market that returns the most $$$$. And I agree. So the only thing that will get their attention is market failure.

    In reality there is no need to say anything, because the writing of failure is aleady on the marketing wall.
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  6. #26


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    In reality there is no need to say anything, because the writing of failure is aleady on the marketing wall.
    One thing's for sure. It's going to be very interesting to watch this play out. I've been part of this industry for about 36 years now and I don't think I've ever seen a product release (by anyone) that has been as divisive as this one has been.

    I personally don't like the new system myself (and have said so several times - sorry!). However, I'm fortunate in that the work I do will not be critically affected by the presence of Win8. I write business intelligence code, mostly, and anything I develop is for the desktop which runs everywhere from XP on up into the Windows 8 desktop. So I can afford to sit back and watch in a pretty detached sort of way.

    I don't know if Win8 will "make it" or not. Most people I talk to don't even know that there is a Windows 8. Most of my fellow developers feel like I do: it's an experiment that may or may not succeed.

    From my limited viewpoint I see that there will be some early adoption of the thing as people buy tablets based on it. Existing desktop users (like myself) won't bother with it until they buy a new machine and even then many will "downgrade" to avoid it. Large corporations and government agencies will probably ignore it for a long time. That nuclear power plant on the corner ain't gonna retool the control room with Win8 consoles: forget it. I would be real surprised to see NASA install it. I can just see big block color squares on the consoles at Mission Control! The CIC and Primary on the aircraft carriers aren't going to go to a smartphone interface to control flight ops and you're probably not going to see Metro running on the floor of the NYSE. People who use these machines for serious and complex work are not going to want to retool just because Microsoft decided "no more chrome".

    The change to Windows is not about technology this time it's purely about Marketing. Steve Ballmer is pissed off that he missed the iPad revolution and is now trying to beat Apple at their own game.

    Like I said ... this is going to be (correction, is) fun to watch!

    -Max :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Peck View Post
    The change to Windows is not about technology this time it's purely about Marketing. Steve Ballmer is pissed off that he missed the iPad revolution and is now trying to beat Apple at their own game.

    Like I said ... this is going to be (correction, is) fun to watch!

    -Max :-)
    Watching a complete slaughter might now be so fun...
    Google got it's share by going against apple, by building something different and better. MS is building something that looks different, but functionally is more "apple" than actual apple products...
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  8. #28


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    Quote Originally Posted by phailyoor View Post
    Watching a complete slaughter might now be so fun...
    Google got it's share by going against apple, by building something different and better. MS is building something that looks different, but functionally is more "apple" than actual apple products...
    Did you mean to say "might not be so fun"?

    More "Apple" than Apple products? Hmm ... interesting way to put it. How so?

    -Max
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  9. #29


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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Peck View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by phailyoor View Post
    Watching a complete slaughter might now be so fun...
    Google got it's share by going against apple, by building something different and better. MS is building something that looks different, but functionally is more "apple" than actual apple products...
    Did you mean to say "might not be so fun"?

    More "Apple" than Apple products? Hmm ... interesting way to put it. How so?

    -Max
    Well, a WinRT tablet threatens to be more locked down than the iPad. The APIs and such are somewhat more restrictive than in iOS.

    Also, I'll take my last statement back. HP touchpad was hilarious to watch, and I have a nice android tab because of it. Let's hope Windows RT flops even more spectacularly.
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  10. #30


    Quote Originally Posted by mystere
    If they want to turn it into a bike for fish, then they can.
    Indeed: They proved it with W8. (ref to the geometricaly shaped fish in the first screenshot - LOL -)
    Quote Originally Posted by mystere
    You do not pay Microsoft money to code software. You pay Microsoft for a product.
    Micrososft is paying their programmers with the money recieved from their customers. So they can't ignore this source of money. But I admit that I'v ben paying for w7, and when I did so, I didn't pay for w8 or for the developement of w8. But Micrososft used my money to stich W8 nonetheless. Of course they can waste their money in whatever they want, it's none of my business.
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