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Let's stop moaning

  1. #41


    Newport, South Wales, UK
    Posts : 573
    Windows 10 Pro x64 x2 Windows 10 Enterprise x64, Ubuntu


    Just one point I should remind everyone, EightForums is not in any way connected to or sanctioned by Microsoft

    Our independence does mean that the views stated here may be more wide ranging than on an official Microsoft site, however we do have rules that need to be heeded. So far the tone of this thread has been within our rules and so the thread is still open, any deviation from acceptable behaviour will mean the closure of the thread and possible action against the instigators

    Although some Microsoft personnel may read these forums the only way to truly ensure that any dissatisfaction is registered is by the direct channels available to Technet & MSDN subscribers, for the RTM or the feedback options available with the preview versions.

    To be honest, I think there is no likelihood of Microsoft dropping the Metro Interface so if we as users decide to use windows 8 we will have to adapt to either use it or look to 3rd party options to make it work more like Win7 or whatever, or to stay with windows 7 which is less than half way through it's planned lifetime.

    Microsoft has performed exhaustive research on what people want for the future and have decided that Metro is the way to go, time will tell if they are correct in this. I know I will have to support Windows 8, in the future, on clients systems, so I will work to understand what is possible what is not. and what may be adapted, this will be, as always with a new OS, an interesting journey

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  2. #42


    Solo.
    Posts : 2,159
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit


    Agree.
    What is written at the bottom of every page of the threads always remind me that.

    I see the forum is for support. Supporting members those are having trouble with Windows 8. including doing any possible workaround to meet their preferences.

    Surely not to make them blindly like it.
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  3. #43


    BELGIUM
    Posts : 503
    WINDOWS 8.1 x64


    "I think it's probably the best Windows since Windows 2000"

    Wel Barman I never used XP, but Windows 2000 instead and I disagree here : Windows 2000 was not so bad, but Win8 just beats them all.

    Jeff
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  4. #44


    BELGIUM
    Posts : 503
    WINDOWS 8.1 x64


    Come on Mustang:

    "We could start a thread entitled: "Why don't the supporters of W8 stop moaning and whinging at persons who don't like W8?' And they should also stop denigrating us for disagreeing."

    Disagree here myself, it has until recently always been the other way around.

    So some guys may bash MS and his fans, but he who likes Win8 may not say a thing.

    But everyone has a choice here: nobody is forced to use Win8.

    I get the feeling that some Win8 users, just use Win8 to, again and again make their complains about how bad it is.
    It is not bad, it is different than what one is used too. Desktop and Metro go well together.

    Sometimes my screen is so full (because I have to compare things) that I cannot open a folder. As you know there is only room for about 10 folders in explorer, which is a pain for me.

    Thank god there is Metro. When my screen is occupied and I cannot open what I want or when something is not on the taskbar, I go to the Metro.



    Jeff
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  5. #45


    Australia
    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by jeffrys View Post
    It is not bad, it is different than what one is used too. Desktop and Metro go well together.

    Jeff
    I respect your right to your opinion, but sorry, as you will no doubt expect, I have to disagree.

    It is different, and the differences are mostly bad.

    However, as it's been said before, time and consumer reaction will tell the final story.

    But once again we're off topic, which is whether the pros and cons should be debated any further; and only solutions/tips for solving problems and help in using it should be posted.

    And you know how I feel about that.
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  6. #46


    Newport, South Wales, UK
    Posts : 573
    Windows 10 Pro x64 x2 Windows 10 Enterprise x64, Ubuntu


    Jeff, I was actually complimenting win2000 , at the time of it's release I was involved with infrastructure for industrial PC Network systems, and after the "Fun & Games" involved in setting up some NT4 Server / Client systems, with Real Time data acquisition. It was robust, stable and with a Clean UI.

    Industrial users loved it because the UI did not distract the operators from the work in hand, when used in office environments the same applied.

    Obviously eye candy is almost essential these days, (Apple would not be the apple of today if someone had not chosen to make the ipod Ear buds White),

    but functionality is as important, what we as early adopters should be interested in is not that it looks different than things before but if it's easier to use for the Average Mainstream computer user. We on this and other forums, and in the computer media are not the people that Microsoft want to attract, we are minority users, in the whole userbase.

    windows users are now used to placing the mouse in the lower left corner and selecting from a set of icons that appear, just what metro does,

    where metro may score with the Smartphone generation and businesses is the live apps, ( tiles ), and the store. The general PC user now understands these concepts, and they can handle installation themselves,

    they do not care one bit about how it happens, just that it happens.

    Yes vista and win7 had gadgets but the method to browse and add these to your working environment was not simple for a non technical user
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  7. #47


    Quote Originally Posted by tseven
    Overall they needed more time to think or whoever worked on the desktop needed to create a better experience and interface.
    No they don't need time or thinking: All the solutions, simple, obvious solutions, have been posted on their blog and on several forums. They couldn't have ignored them. But I believe that they will be forced one day or another to implement these solutions. That may take time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke
    I remember XP
    I don't think one can compare what happens now with the reactions when XP and Vista were released because what Micorsoft throws at our face with Metro is unprecedented. Things will go well beyond complaining here. It's not about some changes that we like or we don't like, it's not just that they added Metro on top of Windows. No, no ,no! The problem is what Microsoft wants. They want to kill Windows and replace it by Metro Apps (or something of that effect). W8 is only the beginning of a new trend (Microsoft told us that many times). It's the beginning of total metrofication, I'm afraid. What's next? maybe in W9 they wil remove the desktop? Access to system files? Folder trees? We ought to defend ourself against that.
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  8. #48


    Solo.
    Posts : 2,159
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit


    Quote Originally Posted by Fredledingue View Post
    The problem is what Microsoft wants. They want to kill Windows and replace it by Metro Apps (or something of that effect). W8 is only the beginning of a new trend (Microsoft told us that many times). It's the beginning of total metrofication, I'm afraid. What's next? maybe in W9 they wil remove the desktop? Access to system files? Folder trees? We ought to defend ourself against that.
    That's interesting..!
    Yeah, how about (if) in the future, Microsoft OS users are treated being like a cellphone or smartphone users who can just do minor changes to the gadget? Just able to reach some superficial parts of the system. All we can do is download and install apps we need from the apps store.
    Playing around only with changing themes.

    Kevin
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  9. #49


    Posts : 5,360
    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    Yes Kev,

    There is a concern that may be where MS is heading.
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  10. #50


    Solo.
    Posts : 2,159
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit


    Let's get a bit wild imagination.

    If in case MS OSes turn to be some kinds of gadget software, there should be a way to integrate the real gadget "desktop software" somewhere in our PCs like Blackberry desk soft, android desk apps store, Samsung KIES, Apple iPhones, and many more of them.
    The good news is the OS should be available for only U$10. No need for serial keys or any licenses.

    You know, Just trying to be positively thinkin' here.

    Kevin
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