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Let's stop moaning

  1. #31


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    @Freddie,

    I don't think the reasons are obscure.

    MS decided they would do it this way - because they think it is better for MS.

    They think the average user will be constantly seeing the start screen and will be easily led into MS online services and apps.

    That is why they implemented it like this.

    Yes, it is possible to avoid that scenario - but most people won't - they will just follow along where they are being coaxed to go.

    If they meet stiff resistance - then they can easily do a quick release to fix it - and will be greeted with cries of - this is it - this is what win8 should have been - MS are listening ( even tho they didn't listen in the first place ).

    In essence , they are "trying it on".


    could be solved by applying the very minor changes everybody is talking about. And it's infuriating to see that Microsoft doesn't want to do it for obscure reasons

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  2. #32


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    I remember XP. And its LUNA interface that oddly reminds me of my old Dell tower: bulky with a crapton of plastic. It didn't really take off anywhere till nearly over half a year, which is usual with all new Windows releases. It takes some time before it becomes mainstream.


    If you want to talk about UI disappointment, let's talk Windows Longhorn. That thing would had been impeccable.



    But with Windows 8, it's a strange different. But in the end, it does the same thing past Windows versions have done. There's a location to open a program, folder, drive, or Library and a Desktop to work on. There is of course, another place in 8 called the metro/immersive...
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  3. #33


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    Quote Originally Posted by davehc View Post
    The old desktop can be setup precisely as it was in windows 7. The mentioned classic, and a couple of others, will take you straight to the legacy desktop, and you need never see the Metro again, if that is your choice.
    Wonder how many people using 8 are/will be using it like this and without Metro?
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  4. #34


    Adelaide
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    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)

    Strange


    Quote Originally Posted by davehc View Post
    The old desktop can be setup precisely as it was in windows 7.
    Where are the:

    • Icon Size settings?
    • Icon Spacing settings?
    • Font Face settings?
    • Selection Colour settings?


    The only old setting I've been able to locate is Font Size.

    BTW, this is the General Discussion section, not the Tutorial or specific Help category sections.
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  5. #35


    Got me there, lehnerus. If I am thinking about the same feature to which you refer? You mean that "advanced options" if you used a Windows (7) basic theme?

    I did have fun playing with that.
    The key is
    HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Desktop\WindowMetrics

    But it is rather more complicated to work with!!!!! I altered a few things there (too many!) and made a mess. But I had a back up of the registry, so, no problem.
    Anyway. I stirred up something I did not intend, with this thread, but some very interesting points of view. As I started it, and the feedback has thoroughly satisfied me, I am marking it as solved. That should not close it, of course.
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  6. #36


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    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    It seems that this thread has degenerated into doing exactly what the thread author has suggested we stop doing ... namely aruging the pros and cons of W8. And instead, list solutions to difficulties in W8.

    He then goes on to list the way he has found solutions that satisfy him, as evidenced by the quote below. However, that simply comes across as promoting W8, by implying that everyone is happy with those solutions. Which means it's a false representation because it doesn't show the whole picture.

    Quote Originally Posted by davehc
    It is very much a question of choice.

    There is a minority of members here ... who appear to have found difficulty in accepting the Metro start menu ...

    I, whenever I completed a reinstall, spent a little time in the old menu ....

    I liked a clean desktop - not everyone's choice, that is apparent. Now I have the best of both worlds ....

    I have weakened, to the extent that I have installed the "Classic" menu ....

    There are several other aspects of Windows 8, which seem to have slipped through the cracks ... but surely a move forward?

    I am sure it will be of great help to all members, if the discussions start to put more emphasis on small ways , or even hacks, to improve the performance facilities and enhance the general us of Windows.
    While I agree there is no point debating our personal preferences, as SIW2 pointed out, it is necessary to make new readers/members of this forum aware that many do not accept these so called "solutions" as being solutions at all. And, to list the reasons why, so they're not lost in the antiquity of earlier posts and threads.

    If we only point out the various work arounds that are acceptable to some members; and that some members' preference is to accept it as it is ... that gives a false representation of W8 as being generally accepted by this forum en masse. And that simply is not true.

    Then there is the related question of registering our dissatisfaction to M$, by listing our grievances, in the hope that others who read why we're dissatisfied, will also add their voice to the protestors. And there is no way that is going to stop happening.

    You might say, if we throw enough mud, hopefully some will stick. However, I think it's more accurate to say we're trying to clear away the mud of pseudo solutions, so the reasons why we are dissatisfied are clearly delineated. But obviously this thread is not the place to do it, even though some have counter argued the authors "solutions".

    If you label as "moaning and whining", our presentation of the reasons why we don't like W8, then we certainly will go on "moaning and whining!" I prefer to call it registering our dissatisfaction to M$ re W8, with logical reasons why in view of our preferences.
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  7. #37


    I do want to voice my opinions to Microsoft however I can't even get online at the moment on my windows 8 desktop. This forum is all about debating. I guess we can call that moaning as well. I'm not opposed to working around it. I have worked around it, but we shouldn't have to. This product will sell because it's not a bad product it just needs work. It was like vista. There are certain things that should have gotten more attention. I'm not saying they didn't work on this product but on the desktop it still needs work. I know it works with a mouse but it also is much more irritating using the mouse to navigate. Overall they needed more time to think or whoever worked on the desktop needed to create a better experience and interface. I like that they have decided to change up the interface of the operating system. I was really happy to hear it. But their execution is the problem.
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  8. #38


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    Quote Originally Posted by tseven View Post
    I do want to voice my opinions to Microsoft however I can't even get online at the moment on my windows 8 desktop. This forum is all about debating. I guess we can call that moaning as well. I'm not opposed to working around it. I have worked around it, but we shouldn't have to. This product will sell because it's not a bad product it just needs work. It was like vista. There are certain things that should have gotten more attention. I'm not saying they didn't work on this product but on the desktop it still needs work. I know it works with a mouse but it also is much more irritating using the mouse to navigate. Overall they needed more time to think or whoever worked on the desktop needed to create a better experience and interface. I like that they have decided to change up the interface of the operating system. I was really happy to hear it. But their execution is the problem.
    While I agree with most of what you say, I don't think this is the thread to say it in.

    Maybe someone should start a thread entitled: Pros and cons of W8 as seen by members of this forum. What you think??????
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  9. #39


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    Kinda feel sorry for you, dave - thread turned into the very thing you can't stand.
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  10. #40


    Thanks Colonel, but no worries. Only one member chose to take a rather more aggressive and critical attitude towards the OP. I wont comment, as it may result in further backlash.
    I thought even Pparks (No rudeness intended here!) post was quite fair and subjective. I think I assimilated quite a bit from the feedback, as to those particular users feelings and attitudes.
    Although I instigated it, I really am thinking now that perhaps the thread could useful be closed, before it continues to degenerate and go off topic.
    Last edited by davehc; 29 Aug 2012 at 00:57.
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