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Who really NEEDS desktop anymore -- even omn a PC

  1. #31


    Posts : 636
    Windows 7/8


    Quote Originally Posted by R0bR View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by FSeal View Post
    Heh exactly, and the next time you install a new program it's not going to splatter your task bar with 15 unwanted app icons 13 of which you will never use (cough)Metro(cough)
    Windows 8 isn't even released for the general public and you expect legacy applications to already install differently than it does in 7. Once companies start to update their applications with Windows 8 in mind I'm sure you'll be given more control on how the shortcuts are setup during the installation process.
    It didn't HAVE to be that way though, there is /already/ a mechanism in the installer for separating important and lesser inporant icons. They could have used that for keeping Metro start clean. But yeah it's just another example of how over years of evolution the start menu is by FAR a better engineered and useful system than the cobbled togeather Metro start screen. Now we gotta put up with it's cruddy growing pains for 2-3 generations before it becomes actually usable again. And by that I mean as Microsoft actually turns it back INTO a true desktop on desktop machines

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  2. #32


    Ohio
    Posts : 473
    Windows 8 Pro


    OK--I'm trying to do without the desktop. The problem is that no matter what app I open, it first opens desktop and the app is on top of the desktop. When I shut down the app, desktop is still there, In other words, once I open an app, the desktop is always running unless I shut it down. Is this the way it is supposed to work? If not, what can I do so that it does not happen. Thanks
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  3. #33


    Posts : 534
    Windows 7, Windows 8 RP


    Quote Originally Posted by FSeal View Post
    It didn't HAVE to be that way though, there is /already/ a mechanism in the installer for separating important and lesser inporant icons.
    It did have to be that way because it's controlled by the installer. The Start Menu and Start Screen are the same thing, if the installer puts 20 icons into the Start Menu in W7 then it would put the same icons in the Start Screen of W8. When "made for W8" desktop applications start to appear their installer will have different options specific to W8. I understand I'm speculating but it's been the same for every iteration of Windows. When W7 came out XP applications didn't come with the option to pin icon to the task bar or start menu only Start Menu hierarchy and Desktop.

    If it doesn't come well then I'll eat my words and complain about it as well but in the meantime we need to give these current applications time to get updated.
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  4. #34


    Posts : 534
    Windows 7, Windows 8 RP


    Quote Originally Posted by Frank1 View Post
    OK--I'm trying to do without the desktop. The problem is that no matter what app I open, it first opens desktop and the app is on top of the desktop. When I shut down the app, desktop is still there, In other words, once I open an app, the desktop is always running unless I shut it down. Is this the way it is supposed to work? If not, what can I do so that it does not happen. Thanks
    Are you talking about Metro Apps or Desktop Applications? If it's Metro Apps then no it shouldn't be doing that. If all I use in Windows 8 are Metro Apps I never see the desktop at all. If you are starting from the Start Screen and launch a Metro App but are getting the desktop first and then the Metro App it seems something has gone nutty on your system. Maybe one of those reset or refresh options will fix it, not sure as I've not fooled around with those yet. Have you installed any hacks to by pass the Start Screen or get the Start menu back? If so perhaps something has glitched because of it? Just throwing out ideas.
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  5. #35


    Ohio
    Posts : 473
    Windows 8 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by R0bR View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Frank1 View Post
    OK--I'm trying to do without the desktop. The problem is that no matter what app I open, it first opens desktop and the app is on top of the desktop. When I shut down the app, desktop is still there, In other words, once I open an app, the desktop is always running unless I shut it down. Is this the way it is supposed to work? If not, what can I do so that it does not happen. Thanks
    Are you talking about Metro Apps or Desktop Applications? If it's Metro Apps then no it shouldn't be doing that. If all I use in Windows 8 are Metro Apps I never see the desktop at all. If you are starting from the Start Screen and launch a Metro App but are getting the desktop first and then the Metro App it seems something has gone nutty on your system. Maybe one of those reset or refresh options will fix it, not sure as I've not fooled around with those yet. Have you installed any hacks to by pass the Start Screen or get the Start menu back? If so perhaps something has glitched because of it? Just throwing out ideas.
    Its metro apps that I open and then the desktop comes up first. I thought that maybe I had things screwed up so I completely removed it. That is I went to the Virtual Machines folder where the Windows 8 folder was. I then deleted the Virtual Machines folder. I then opened VMware and removed Windows 8. Then I started from scratch and re-installed Win 8. But the same thing happened. I'm just guessing that when I installed it the first time, I may have messed something up because I did a lot of work on the desktop. But un-installing and the re-installing did not help it. I think that un-installing does not remove everything and some of the configuration I made the first time was not removed. I'm going to play with is some more to see if I can correct it. The reason I submitted the question was because I didn't know if this was normal or not. Now I know it's not. Thanks for your response. If I can fix it, I'll post back.
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  6. #36


    Posts : 636
    Windows 7/8


    Quote Originally Posted by R0bR View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by FSeal View Post
    It didn't HAVE to be that way though, there is /already/ a mechanism in the installer for separating important and lesser inporant icons.
    It did have to be that way because it's controlled by the installer. The Start Menu and Start Screen are the same thing, if the installer puts 20 icons into the Start Menu in W7 then it would put the same icons in the Start Screen of W8. When "made for W8" desktop applications start to appear their installer will have different options specific to W8. I understand I'm speculating but it's been the same for every iteration of Windows. When W7 came out XP applications didn't come with the option to pin icon to the task bar or start menu only Start Menu hierarchy and Desktop.

    If it doesn't come well then I'll eat my words and complain about it as well but in the meantime we need to give these current applications time to get updated.
    What they could have done is, the "main" icon that the installer always asks if you want on the desktop could have been put on the start screen and the rest of the "junk" icons could have been left off the start screen but would still appear under "All Programs". So yes, using the current mechanism (if the program was using the windows installer) they could have made it work.
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