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Why I'm switching back to Windows 7

  1. #1


    Winnipeg, Canada
    Posts : 19
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Centre RTM

    Why I'm switching back to Windows 7


    Hi all!

    I've been using Windows 8 RTM for a few days now and I'm finding quite a few deal breakers. The first thing is that I cannot find a backup function. I've googled the hell out of it using different key words and there are articles that claim that I can use the old backup tool but no word on where the hell it is. I'm fed up looking for it.

    The other thing is that I've changed my windows live password and now I can't log into skydrive. It just gives a general error about checking my network settings and no option to re-enter my login information. So no skydrive for me I guess.

    My mouse has been giving me issues too. I've had to reboot a number of times to get it to scroll properly. It will work a short time and then I have to scroll like hell just to move down a couple of lines.

    Reboots are taking forever too. It takes a good minute longer to reboot on Win 8 then it ever did on Win 7. I suspect driver issues, but I'm too lazy to go searching through the mire of interface that Windows 8 has to find an answer.

    There is more. But I don't want to start sounding like a raving lunatic. I'm just fed up with it is all. I'm glad I did a backup of my windows 7 set up before I installed windows 8. I'm going to revert to Windows 7 now.

    May your installations go better than mine!

    Snarks

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  2. #2


    Hafnarfjörður IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Quote Originally Posted by SnarkyTwit View Post
    Hi all!

    I've been using Windows 8 RTM for a few days now and I'm finding quite a few deal breakers. The first thing is that I cannot find a backup function. I've googled the hell out of it using different key words and there are articles that claim that I can use the old backup tool but no word on where the hell it is. I'm fed up looking for it.

    The other thing is that I've changed my windows live password and now I can't log into skydrive. It just gives a general error about checking my network settings and no option to re-enter my login information. So no skydrive for me I guess.

    My mouse has been giving me issues too. I've had to reboot a number of times to get it to scroll properly. It will work a short time and then I have to scroll like hell just to move down a couple of lines.

    Reboots are taking forever too. It takes a good minute longer to reboot on Win 8 then it ever did on Win 7. I suspect driver issues, but I'm too lazy to go searching through the mire of interface that Windows 8 has to find an answer.

    There is more. But I don't want to start sounding like a raving lunatic. I'm just fed up with it is all. I'm glad I did a backup of my windows 7 set up before I installed windows 8. I'm going to revert to Windows 7 now.

    May your installations go better than mine!

    Snarks
    Hi there
    there's a function called FILE HISTORY which when you activate it is quite good. It logs all the changes too.

    Did you run the Windows update.

    Take Mouse issues -- these can't really be happening unless you are on a VM and haven't installed VMware tools or vbox additions depending on what VM software you are running. Otherwise of all the 1000's of posts on W8 I don't think I've seen ONE SINGLE post on problems with a mouse.

    As for Backup --I'd always recommend a decent commercial backup solution in any case like say Acronis -- these products simply are so much better than the Windows built in functions and will save you so much time that they are worth IMO every EUROCENT / US Cent, GB Penny etc etc. Cost around 40 USD - but worth it every time.

    reboots take seconds so I don't know why yours should be out of the ordinary.

    By all means re-install W7 even if you just simply don't like W8 --nothing wrong with that - but the reasons you have given really wouldn't be the show stopper here I'm sure. As for Sky drive or any other "Cloud services" I can't say as I have about as much chance of using "The Cloud" as turkeys voting for Xmas and although there are a few cloud supporters here I think the vast majority are on my side and want nothing to do with it.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  3. #3


    Australia
    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    As for Sky drive or any other "Cloud services" I can't say as I have about as much chance of using "The Cloud" as turkeys voting for Xmas and although there are a few cloud supporters here I think the vast majority are on my side and want nothing to do with it.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Good call Jimbo re Turkey vote for Xmas!

    And right on re cloud service. Call me paranoic if you want, but no way am I trusting tax files and other security docos to god knows who controlling the cloud security. Who controls the controllers? They're not under government audit.
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  4. #4


    Hafnarfjörður IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    As for Sky drive or any other "Cloud services" I can't say as I have about as much chance of using "The Cloud" as turkeys voting for Xmas and although there are a few cloud supporters here I think the vast majority are on my side and want nothing to do with it.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Good call Jimbo re Turkey vote for Xmas!

    And right on re cloud service. Call me paranoic if you want, but no way am I trusting tax files and other security docos to god knows who controlling the cloud security. Who controls the controllers? They're not under government audit.

    Hi there
    even in Old Roman times poet Juvenal coined the phrase

    Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodies. (Latin who guards the Guardians). !!!

    cheers
    jimbo
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  5. #5


    Australia
    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there

    even in Old Roman times poet Juvenal coined the phrase

    Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodies. (Latin who guards the Guardians). !!!

    cheers
    jimbo
    Exactly!

    They say there's nothing new under the sun. Nice to know the Romans agree with me! But it makes me feel a little dated! lol! Or perhaps it's more accurate to say I agree with the Romans?

    Don't know if you ever saw the movie "Life of Brian" by Monty Python, and the bit about the "People's Popular Front" ... "What else have the Romans given us, apart from education, roads, aqueducts, ..... "

    Very, very funny!

    Cheers M
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  6. #6


    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    And right on re cloud service. Call me paranoic if you want, but no way am I trusting tax files and other security docos to god knows who controlling the cloud security. Who controls the controllers? They're not under government audit.
    Being paranoid here is great. I choose to use some of the cloud services, but anything important, personal or containing information goes into a BoxCryptor encrypted folder, then into the cloud. For really important things, like passwords or bank information, I use Dropbox, then an encrypted folder and then a secure application like Password safe that is heavily encrypted itself. So, for this to get out, my dropbox account would have to be compromised, my encrypted folder would need to be cracked and my password safe would also have to be cracked. With heavy encryption algorithms and super long passwords, it would probably take the rest of my life for somebody to brute force crack it.

    Why all of the effort? Because houses sometimes burn to the ground, people break in and steal your stuff, and i occasionally find myself out and about with a need to access a file and having it in the cloud, as well as local, gives me protection and ability for all of these things.
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  7. #7


    Australia
    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Being paranoid here is great. I choose to use some of the cloud services, but anything important, personal or containing information goes into a BoxCryptor encrypted folder, then into the cloud. For really important things, like passwords or bank information, I use Dropbox, then an encrypted folder and then a secure application like Password safe that is heavily encrypted itself. So, for this to get out, my dropbox account would have to be compromised, my encrypted folder would need to be cracked and my password safe would also have to be cracked. With heavy encryption algorithms and super long passwords, it would probably take the rest of my life for somebody to brute force crack it.

    Why all of the effort? Because houses sometimes burn to the ground, people break in and steal your stuff, and i occasionally find myself out and about with a need to access a file and having it in the cloud, as well as local, gives me protection and ability for all of these things.
    Yeah I can see your logic behind that. And with all that encryption it should be safe. However, I can't be bothered to go to all that trouble. I store a backup of all my top security files at my son's home, so both homes would have to be gutted by fire/robbed at the same time. And I'd have more chance of winning lotto than that happening. And those files that are archived are also protected by encryption which would foil most thieves, even though not to the same degree of encryption that you have gone to.

    Notwithstanding that, even in worst case scenario, tax files and returns, bank documents, and other security docos can be retrieved from the originating source such as tax department, banks, education facilities, and other governemnt agencies. I have occasionally used DropBox for photos and a few other non-secure items; and Uploading.com for upload/download storage for files so others can access them from forum posts.
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  8. #8


    Hafnarfjörður IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Being paranoid here is great. I choose to use some of the cloud services, but anything important, personal or containing information goes into a BoxCryptor encrypted folder, then into the cloud. For really important things, like passwords or bank information, I use Dropbox, then an encrypted folder and then a secure application like Password safe that is heavily encrypted itself. So, for this to get out, my dropbox account would have to be compromised, my encrypted folder would need to be cracked and my password safe would also have to be cracked. With heavy encryption algorithms and super long passwords, it would probably take the rest of my life for somebody to brute force crack it.

    Why all of the effort? Because houses sometimes burn to the ground, people break in and steal your stuff, and i occasionally find myself out and about with a need to access a file and having it in the cloud, as well as local, gives me protection and ability for all of these things.
    Yeah I can see your logic behind that. And with all that encryption it should be safe. However, I can't be bothered to go to all that trouble. I store a backup of all my top security files at my son's home, so both homes would have to be gutted by fire/robbed at the same time. And I'd have more chance of winning lotto than that happening. And even those files that are archived are also protected by encryption which would foil most thieves, but not to the same degree of encryption that you have gone to.
    Hi there
    It's not even the stealing of your stuff that is a problem -- what about the SERVER itself from being compromised by someone uploading say a slew of pirated software or tracker torrent links and then FBI stepping in to close the server down (remember that case with megaupload not too long ago).

    The FBI seem to be able to close servers down wherever they are and also whether or not any actual Law in the jurisdiction in which the server is situated has been broken.

    I'm not sure I'd like the access to my data to be controlled by whims of the FBI or dependent on people NOT uploading Pirated / dubious content to the cloud.

    Concerns like this bother me far more than someone stealing my data -- which even if they could decrypt it would be of no conceivable use to them whatsoever.

    Remember the Cloud is being pushed as a way to share your content (In US "Consultant-ese" "Collaboration projects) - or in plain English - Basic File sharing so Pirated content and torrent tracker info could certainly be uploaded too with the consequences I outlined in the previous paragraph.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  9. #9


    Quote Originally Posted by SnarkyTwit View Post
    Hi all!

    I've been using Windows 8 RTM for a few days now and I'm finding quite a few deal breakers. The first thing is that I cannot find a backup function. I've googled the hell out of it using different key words and there are articles that claim that I can use the old backup tool but no word on where the hell it is. I'm fed up looking for it.

    The other thing is that I've changed my windows live password and now I can't log into skydrive. It just gives a general error about checking my network settings and no option to re-enter my login information. So no skydrive for me I guess.

    My mouse has been giving me issues too. I've had to reboot a number of times to get it to scroll properly. It will work a short time and then I have to scroll like hell just to move down a couple of lines.

    Reboots are taking forever too. It takes a good minute longer to reboot on Win 8 then it ever did on Win 7. I suspect driver issues, but I'm too lazy to go searching through the mire of interface that Windows 8 has to find an answer.

    There is more. But I don't want to start sounding like a raving lunatic. I'm just fed up with it is all. I'm glad I did a backup of my windows 7 set up before I installed windows 8. I'm going to revert to Windows 7 now.

    May your installations go better than mine!

    Snarks
    As per your request, where to find Windows file back up, I've been using it for years and never had a problem restoring from an image created by it. No reason to use a third party app for this.

    Simple go lower left corner and right click, open up Control Panel you will see it there listed as Windows 7 file recovery which works quite well and creates system images automatically per a timed schedule or on demand as required.

    This is different than Windows file history which only updates and saves backups or a "History" of certain files as you make changes to them.

    As for the sky drive problem, the new password may work after a given amount of time as the servers are slow to pick up on those types of changes.

    The mouse problem is most likely driver related so you might try the Windows 7 driver installed using Windows 7 compatibility mode.
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  10. #10


    Posts : 116
    xp , 7Pro, 8RP, Android phone, Tablet


    House Fires made me remember one of the more traumatic periods of my life.
    At 3am one morning in 1965 I had a call at home saying "we have a fire but it is OK the brigade are here now."
    A £6M mainframe burnt to the ground, luckily we had files stored-off site and were up and running by begging borrowing time in two days. It took 3 months to get a replacement system up.
    But it caused me to think about ISP's and the cloud in particular; I know the files themselves are all well catered for, but how many duplicate systems do they have available in truly remote locations. One ISP I used boasted twin setups in different buildings but a complete area blackout took them out for two days. Also think about the recent Blackberry situation.
    Therefore like Jimbo I will choose to be the master of my own destiny.
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