Has Microsoft beaten Apple

In my opinion Microsoft have got it all wrong!!! Windows 8 should never of been labelled as such.

Them think tank chaps at Microsoft sat down and with Bill breathing down their necks to come up with an OS to compete with ios but got the wrong end of the stick.

Now they have an ARM-based OS good enough to compete with Android and iOS, which can run on a desktop...! Though RT is only for tablets unlike the other two which run on both mobile devices. But this is where they beat Apple.

MS sys requirements beats Apple hands down, just wondering seeing can boot from a usb stick could you get it to run on a 486? Wish I had one to try.... Just found an old Lifebook P166 now if I can get it to start????????????

I may be one foot in the grave, but as much as I like 8 over 7 I much prefer XP to them both!

Well I gotta say, that is one unique viewpoint

Except "Bill" has nothing to do with it anymore.

Yeah, Bill & Melissa are spending his billions trying to eradicate world diseases like malaria and such, kudos to him I guess :thumb:

runamonk said:

Except "Bill" has nothing to do with it anymore.

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Isn't he still Chairman of the board?

If so, he has a lot to do with it.

Windows Phone 8 + Windows 8 RT + Windows 8 Pro.

Do you get what I'm talking about? Unified kernel and the same thing everywhere.

Problem is, people don't use those devices in the same way and unifying the interface and applications across such massively disparate platforms is more Folly than Genius.

It's like when you go to a web site with a tablet and get the mobile version of it. Stupid and useless, let alone on a desktop! The phone version of a mail program and the desktop version of a mail program are two totally different things in design, layout and function (AND SHOULD BE). And that goes for everything else too :/

SIW2 said:

runamonk said:

Except "Bill" has nothing to do with it anymore.

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Isn't he still Chairman of the board?

If so, he has a lot to do with it.

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Hey I might be thick but I get what you mean... But do you get what I mean?

Windows 8 mobile will be called Windows 8 Phone, Hardly think they will be retailing it, Windows RT is for tablets and Pro for Microsoft Surface which will be some 300 more than an RT model. Now do you see?

SIW2 said:

runamonk said:

Except "Bill" has nothing to do with it anymore.

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Isn't he still Chairman of the board?

If so, he has a lot to do with it.

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He actually officially left Microsoft I believe before vista was shipped. He stepped down as CEO after xp shipped. Now, he's doing philanthropic work in South Africa and right now, he's working to help reinvent the way people poop, yes, he is promoting the reinvention of the toilet that has been around since 1775.

From what I've read, he's only called upon when ballmer doesn't have the balls to make an executive decision, like the killed Courier project that Gates killed as it didn't email.

FSeal said:

Problem is, people don't use those devices in the same way and unifying the interface and applications across such massively disparate platforms is more Folly than Genius.

It's like when you go to a web site with a tablet and get the mobile version of it. Stupid and useless, let alone on a desktop! The phone version of a mail program and the desktop version of a mail program are two totally different things in design, layout and function (AND SHOULD BE). And that goes for everything else too :/

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You actually don't get the mobile version of site with a tablet PC as far as I know.

Coke Robot said:

FSeal said:

Problem is, people don't use those devices in the same way and unifying the interface and applications across such massively disparate platforms is more Folly than Genius.

It's like when you go to a web site with a tablet and get the mobile version of it. Stupid and useless, let alone on a desktop! The phone version of a mail program and the desktop version of a mail program are two totally different things in design, layout and function (AND SHOULD BE). And that goes for everything else too :/

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You actually don't get the mobile version of site with a tablet PC as far as I know.

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We'll see, it happens constantly on Android tabs though, it was just an example of how useless phone and tablet interfaces on a desktop are... (Well in that case an example of how useless a phone interface on a tablet is. Phone, Tablet, Desktop, all different, one interface cannot Rule Them All...)

It bet it happens a lot on phablets. The site's server detects the device as android 3 or 4 and says, "Hey! Someone's using their phone to access this site!" And therefore renders the mobile version.

Now, a Windows tablet PC is different because the server will detect the user's PC as Windows 8 using Internet Explorer 10 or some other browser. Therefore the server renders the normal desktop version. On a a Windows Phone 8, the server will detect that since phone is in the name of Windows Phone, the correct mobile version will render.

That is not the point he is making.

This is the point:

people don't use those devices in the same way and unifying the interface and applications across such massively disparate platforms is more Folly than Genius.

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Tim Cook said pretty much the same thing:

'You can converge a toaster and a refrigerator,' Cook replied, 'but those aren't going to be pleasing to the user.'

Claiming that any convergence between tablets and laptops would result in a dilution of both, Cook further explained that 'we are not going to that part, but others might from a defensive point of view.'

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