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Why Windows 8 isn't the monster hybrid some tout it as...

  1. #21


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    The only people that are claiming the "PC is dead" are the marketing agencies working for big corporations. LOL

    I think a more nefarious angle of this is that with LESS computing power, and LESS user control, their dreaded black cloud can become a dominant force and make these big companies more money. Greed is a large element of what is driving the cloud crap.

    I honestly think that is the agenda. Of course I don't like it one bit, I will NEVER accept the Cloud as they see it. Hopefully the general public will come to realize how potentially dangerous it is.


    As for Windows 8 Metro being a monster hybrid, well that is EXACTLY what it is.

    Worse yet is that Microsoft is FORCING you if you have Windows 8 to ALWAYS boot to metro at all times. You have NO choice.
    How is that for satisfying the customer, it seems more like they are sticking it to them.

    Oh and I am NOT going to stop using the term "metro" for ..uh the metro UI.

    I think the only and REAL reason why they have decided they don't want to use it is that the reaction to the UI is so utterly negative that they HAD to drop it.

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  2. #22


    I don't know if anyone's noticed, but computers are getting smaller and more portable. They have been shrinking since the 40's. I think the only viable argument here is for a good sized screen.

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  3. #23


    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    I don't know if anyone's noticed, but computers are getting smaller and more portable. They have been shrinking since the 40's. I think the only viable argument here is for a good sized screen.

    The Smallest Computer in the World
    Don't forget storage space, good sized video cards for real gaming, optical drive use as DVD's and BluRays aren't gone yet, full size quality keyboards and mice. Nothing quite like having a small computer, with a dozen peripherals plugged into it to make you wonder why you moved to such a small device in the first place. Like these ultrabooks that are so small they don't have onboard ethernet and assume that everything is wireless. Well guess what, wireless is just slow as crap compared to a 1Gbps cat 5 connection.
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  4. #24


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    I don't know if anyone's noticed, but computers are getting smaller and more portable. They have been shrinking since the 40's. I think the only viable argument here is for a good sized screen.

    The Smallest Computer in the World
    Don't forget storage space, good sized video cards for real gaming, optical drive use as DVD's and BluRays aren't gone yet, full size quality keyboards and mice. Nothing quite like having a small computer, with a dozen peripherals plugged into it to make you wonder why you moved to such a small device in the first place. Like these ultrabooks that are so small they don't have onboard ethernet and assume that everything is wireless. Well guess what, wireless is just slow as crap compared to a 1Gbps cat 5 connection.
    Guess what, not everyone has a 1 Gbps connection. Wireless is better than wiring cable in every nook and cranny when one simple wireless router covers the same span cost effectively. Shoot, charging soon will be wireless. And, not everyone needs a full sized keyboard when some laptops do have one and some with number pads. If they work fine for them, great.

    And then there's storage space, one can get a 2.5 inch terabyte hard drive for laptops and connect a four terabyte external drive.

    Or better yet, if one needs more, build a desktop.
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  5. #25


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Guess what, not everyone has a 1 Gbps connection.
    This is true. But if you do and you have run the cabling, it's nice to move files when the limiting factor is your hard drive (unless you have an SSD), then it's nearly 100MB/sec. Most of your wireless routers have gig ports in them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Or better yet, if one needs more, build a desktop.
    That was my point, a super small computer or tablet is not going to be the complete death of alternatives.
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  6. #26


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    Well this thread only goes to prove how divided and diverse the computer world is. I think its safe to say the desktop, laptop or tablet won't be going anywhere for a long time!
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  7. #27


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    Quote Originally Posted by legacy7955 View Post
    The only people that are claiming the "PC is dead" are the marketing agencies working for big corporations. LOL
    Agreed.

    Quote Originally Posted by legacy7955 View Post
    I think a more nefarious angle of this is that with LESS computing power, and LESS user control, their dreaded black cloud can become a dominant force and make these big companies more money. Greed is a large element of what is driving the cloud crap.

    I honestly think that is the agenda. Of course I don't like it one bit, I will NEVER accept the Cloud as they see it. Hopefully the general public will come to realize how potentially dangerous it is.
    Don't forget control.

    Once they have your data, they have you "over a barrel".
    Corporations and Governments will be able to peruse it at their leisure.

    Quote Originally Posted by legacy7955 View Post
    As for Windows 8 Metro being a monster hybrid, well that is EXACTLY what it is.

    Worse yet is that Microsoft is FORCING you if you have Windows 8 to ALWAYS boot to metro at all times. You have NO choice.
    How is that for satisfying the customer, it seems more like they are sticking it to them.

    Oh and I am NOT going to stop using the term "metro" for ..uh the metro UI.

    I think the only and REAL reason why they have decided they don't want to use it is that the reaction to the UI is so utterly negative that they HAD to drop it.
    Agreed.

    This supermarket thing is just a convenient cover story.
    "We didn't want to back down, but this supermarket is just too powerful for us to fight."
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  8. #28


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Not sold on 3D huh? Me either, most due to the fact that I cannot see it. I had a wandering eye as a kid and this left me incapable of seeing any of the 3d movies and tv stuff.

    It annoys me when all these new movies come out in 3D and they want to charge me extra. I should get some sort of medical card and pay the standard rate.

    Hi there
    tried watching a Football match ("Soccer" in US) in 3-D in one of my (many !!) favourite Bars in Brussels City center.

    Found the photography not nice at all --the whole perspective was too narrow and unnatural - seems like you are watching from a "Dogs height" or about 20 cm from the ground perspective compared with the normal 2-D - and I still find it strange to sit indoors in a darkish pub drinking beer while wearing things that look suspiciously like Police Dark shades !!. After 20 mins I gave up -- the experience gave me a headache too -- so I won't be using a 3D Monitor anytime soon either.

    Now proper Holographic Projection -- I could go for that !!!! -- still need many years of hardware improvement for that to work but might arrive quicker than we think.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  9. #29


    Quote Originally Posted by burtie View Post
    Well this thread only goes to prove how divided and diverse the computer world is. I think its safe to say the desktop, laptop or tablet won't be going anywhere for a long time!
    Well stated, burtie. I think it's also safe to say that the consumer has the final say to where the market heads. We all have different needs and uses.

    My two posts here is stating futuristic computing, where we've come from (Personal Computer Related Memories - I Remember:), and where we might be headed. I consider myself a 7 to 8 out of a 10 scale so far as savvy, so, this "prole" may not be as experienced as the "elite" here in computers so far as to "create content", but I do create some. I own a building business, using construction business tools such as bookkeeping, estimating, technic/product research, lightweight CAD/drawing programs, and the like. I don't know computers as much as the forum Pros here do, but I do use one. BTW, Kat, I would have died for your lappy/technology back in my hay day of the mid 90's through the building/housing crash in 2007/8!

    My use is probably not as heavy as some of you Pros here. I can't/don't sit behind a computer all day, for I have to install materials during daylight then do computing in the evenings. I have not been doing so much of that during these economic times and nearing the age of retirement. In fact my company is down to 3 employees -> Me, Myself, and I. I got bored so I installed 8 RP and joined this forum. I learn a lot from everyone here.

    This will be the last message I'll type from my old Netbook -- much as it has been fine --but the new laptop actually weighs less and with a decent I7 processor as well --there's no competition anymore. The Netbook I'm donating to a colleague.

    These new Ultrabooks if you can afford them should blow away any tablet in the universe and they also have great looks too -- making the Ipad look positively "Old Fashioned".
    Thanks, Jimbo. I probably learn more from you here than anyone else. You seem to have this "5th sense" in computing. You always seem to find a happy medium and present it in a direct, humble way. The Ultrabooks do seem to meet this criteria between a PC and a Pad -> Portable, yet powerful. I assume you're running 7? Preinstalled?

    All in all, though, the market seems to be headed in the Pad direction presently for the most part and M$ seems to be targeting that. Whether one thinks this is a toy or the next computing device remains to be seen. The consumer and market will tell. Bottom line, it's about making $mula$ and making as much of it as we can or want.
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  10. #30


    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    I don't know if anyone's noticed, but computers are getting smaller and more portable. They have been shrinking since the 40's. I think the only viable argument here is for a good sized screen.

    The Smallest Computer in the World
    Don't forget storage space, good sized video cards for real gaming, optical drive use as DVD's and BluRays aren't gone yet, full size quality keyboards and mice. Nothing quite like having a small computer, with a dozen peripherals plugged into it to make you wonder why you moved to such a small device in the first place. Like these ultrabooks that are so small they don't have onboard ethernet and assume that everything is wireless. Well guess what, wireless is just slow as crap compared to a 1Gbps cat 5 connection.
    The new wireless standard coming out soon called 802.11ac will run at 1Gbps, still there are limitations to using wireless connections like signal strength channel crossover and so on. Plus it will be quite awhile before businesses and home networks have updated hardware to support 802.11ac.

    If your wireless is really that slow now there are simple adjustments that can be made that will dramatically increase wireless N performance.

    And the desktop PC platform isn't going anywhere I agree.
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