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  1. #11


    Fseal and Kat,

    I agree for me, the PC is going nowhere and is certainly not dead.

    However, one cannot discount the fact that tablets and iPad's sell these days like crazy and people are forgoing the efficiencies and productive nature of a desktop or PC for the portability and the take it everywhere you go nature of a portable device. I think for a lot of people, tablets are a perfect fit substitute for what they actually do with a computer. So, I don't think these people are out of their minds when they say they don't see a computer in their future. Just as I don't think you guys are out of your minds for saying that you don't see the PC going away any time soon.

    I've yet to see any business successfully swap out a desktop computer for a tablet for everyday office use. For a portable system, for traveling to a client site...yes. For everyday use, that would be a new one to me.

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  2. #12


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    To say the desktop PC is dead hardly warrants a response. All I'll say is: Watch and learn.

    No doubt there is a relatively new burgeoning market, especially popular in the teen to early twenties, for devices with mobile access to music, games and social connectivity sites such as Face Book, Twitter, etc. And the preferred vehicle is smartfones/ipad followed not too closely by tablets. Hell if you're in high school and you haven't got a smartfone, you're socially dead in the water. But this doesn't replace desktops, it's just an added option.

    Next step up to serious PC work is the laptop, and for really serious work, desktop. My son's girlfriend is a professor in the field of disabled children's communication and learning. To use up her grant she bought a tablet for a lecture tour in China. When she returned she gave the tablet to my son, and went back to work on her desktop. The tablet was a specific tool for a specific limited job, and when done, was not needed and discarded.

    There are different motor vehicles for different purposes and no one group replaces the other. From a bus to a formula one racer, they all have a function to fulfill. To say mobile devices will eventually replace desktops is akin to saying stretch limos will one day replace off road 4 wheel drives.
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  3. #13


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Fseal and Kat,

    I agree for me, the PC is going nowhere and is certainly not dead.

    However, one cannot discount the fact that tablets and iPad's sell these days like crazy and people are forgoing the efficiencies and productive nature of a desktop or PC for the portability and the take it everywhere you go nature of a portable device. I think for a lot of people, tablets are a perfect fit substitute for what they actually do with a computer. So, I don't think these people are out of their minds when they say they don't see a computer in their future. Just as I don't think you guys are out of your minds for saying that you don't see the PC going away any time soon.

    I've yet to see any business successfully swap out a desktop computer for a tablet for everyday office use. For a portable system, for traveling to a client site...yes. For everyday use, that would be a new one to me.
    Hi@pparks1

    The new Ultrabooks are a thriving end to the PC market even in these economic times --but beware these are HIDEOUSLY expensive.

    I just got mine this week -- and it's worth EVERY EUROCENT I paid for it. I7 processor, 8GB memory, 250 GGB SSD, USB3 slots etc and about as thin as a dollar coin and weighs about the same as my old trusty netbook.

    These easily render any sort of "Desktop" obsolete unless you are an extreme gamer -- but beware they'll cost you upwards of 850 USD for decent ones.

    It's amazing but this segment of the market is actually growing quite well.

    This will be the last message I'll type from my old Netbook -- much as it has been fine --but the new laptop actually weighs less and with a decent I7 processor as well --there's no competition anymore. The Netbook I'm donating to a colleague.

    These new Ultrabooks if you can afford them should blow away any tablet in the universe and they also have great looks too -- making the Ipad look positively "Old Fashioned".

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  4. #14


    @Jimbo:

    I'm actually thinking about investing in new laptop for personal use to replace the Dell Latitude E6400 that I carry with me everyday between home and work. I'm looking at the Lenovo X1 Carbon ultrabook. While it may run me $1,500+, its the one that I am most interested in. I just wished that it included an eSata port (that's what I use on my current desktop and E6400), an onboard Ethernet port for docking purposes (because wired on my gigabit network at home is just flat out FASTER), and I wish that it had a user replaceable battery. All in all though, a 14" screen, 1600x900 resolution, less than 3lbs, 3G support, SSD, great keyboard, high quality and extremely loud laptop speakers, a huge touchpad, and a battery that gets 80%+ charged in just 30 minutes.
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  5. #15


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    I've only had this laptop for about 6 months, and there is virtually nothing it can't do.

    *See my System Specs*

    Its only drawback is that it's far from being easily portable.

    And I wouldn't swap it for anything (except an even more powerful one).

    I have a smaller laptop if I need to take decent computing power with me.

    For anything else, there's the Android phone. And it gets almost NO internet use.
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  6. #16


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    It's really about the integration of technologies. Yes, a tablet PC in the near future won't have a terabyte of storage but 10 years ago, not many desktop users did. Even still, an external hard drive and the Windows Libraries feature work great!

    See, as of now, you can really regard the tablet sector as a genuine use and discard category. They're like smartphones, you use them for a bit and get a new one. A TABLET PC, is different. The other tablets are genuinely built off a stripped up smartphone OS, not an actual separate OS. I find that the tablet PC will be used like a laptop is used these days: as a user's main PC. Take a gander at a decent laptop and you'll find some things on them that makes them more desirable than the average desktop tower. It's got a nice color, has a kicking processor that is fast and efficient, buttload of RAM, SSD storage and even a combo of a terabyte hard drive and SSD. Sure, you can't upgrade much like a desktop, but for the user it's usually quite fine for at least 5 years. I've never really seen laptops discarded for a new one, usually practicality sets in and a new hard drive or SSD is all that it takes to make it last many years.


    And then there's the desktop. Nope, it won't be gone, ESPECIALLY because of Windows 8. I shall explain. It's simple.



    The VERY first PCs had a screen and the components built into one case with a keyboard right in front of the screen and a mouse along side it. They were more what you call an All-In-One PC. Today, the AIO form factor seems to be taking off more than ever before. They're more compact, have a decent screen size, and just look more attractive than a tower and screen. What's more is that they're being built more and more with a touch screen. What goes uber great with touch? Windows 8. I find that the AIO PC is the TRUEST form of desktop. It literally IS on top of your desk, a desktop. I've never looked inside of one, but I'd imagine it's more like a laptop but without the power efficiency of one. Or, I think they might be a cross in between but things are incredibly slim. I bet GPUs can't be easily upgraded though......


    I personally am in the process of rebuilding my desktop case altogether. I finally got the bottom case fan hole cut out and I need another hard drive bay to strip down to build a new large one with. I'm going to have a pretty sleek looking case with connectors galore and wicked amounts of storage and processing power when all is said and done. But that's me. It's nice to have a smartphone, a Windows Phone even more, but it's more as a companion device to my PC. When I need to do PC style of work, I need a PC. I need a larger screen, and preferably a separate keyboard. A Windows Phone isn't a PC, nor is an iphone. An android maybe, but that's an OS that is trying to be a wolf when it's a sheep, it's trying too much to be a PC replacement than anything. The tablet PC has its place and its role. As technology develops and gets less costly, one day tablet PCs will be the new mainstream instead of the laptop.
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  7. #17


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I find that the tablet PC will be used like a laptop is used these days: as a user's main PC.
    I'm sorry, but I don't see a 7-10" screen as my main PC any time soon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Take a gander at a decent laptop and you'll find some things on them that makes them more desirable than the average desktop tower. It's got a nice color, has a kicking processor that is fast and efficient, buttload of RAM, SSD storage and even a combo of a terabyte hard drive and SSD. Sure, you can't upgrade much like a desktop, but for the user it's usually quite fine for at least 5 years. I've never really seen laptops discarded for a new one, usually practicality sets in and a new hard drive or SSD is all that it takes to make it last many years.
    Laptops are more desirable because they come in nice colors??? Are you freaking serious? My laptops are not colored and my PC cases have never been purchased for aesthetic reasons. No case windows, no led lighting. The only thing that you might consider "aesthetic" is a super clean wiring job...but I do that more for pride and cooling than anything else.

    Laptops are not advantageous over a desktop because they are hard to work on. You cannot simply buy commodity parts to replace or repair them. They cannot be overclocked as the cooling systems are not upgradeable. And for gaming, unless you spend a ton, they just aren't suited well at all, and like above...cannot usually be upgraded. And last but not certainly not least, you cannot really buy the parts that you need and assemble exactly what you want. Might not matter one bit to you, but I dare say is important to many who visit this forum.

    And people do frequently replace laptops. Mostly because they break and they aren't often times able to repaired for a low enough cost to justify the repair. And have you ever met a MacBook owner? They replace their laptops with some regularity simply because they aren't cool enough anymore.



    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    The VERY first PCs had a screen and the components built into one case with a keyboard right in front of the screen and a mouse along side it. They were more what you call an All-In-One PC. Today, the AIO form factor seems to be taking off more than ever before. They're more compact, have a decent screen size, and just look more attractive than a tower and screen.
    Gosh, you really are about how something looks rather than how it functions. With a nice "tower", one can buy parts over and over and over again and simply upgrade their existing PC's. These all-in-one small box, non-standard designs don't lend themselves to this at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I find that the AIO PC is the TRUEST form of desktop. It literally IS on top of your desk, a desktop. I've never looked inside of one, but I'd imagine it's more like a laptop but without the power efficiency of one. Or, I think they might be a cross in between but things are incredibly slim. I bet GPUs can't be easily upgraded though......
    So, there you go. Today, useless for the gaming community as gaming boards are often as big as these entire "desktops" that you speak of. Maybe someday when video cards are external.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Yes, a tablet PC in the near future won't have a terabyte of storage but 10 years ago, not many desktop users did. Even still, an external hard drive and the Windows Libraries feature work great!
    In 10 years, the amount of information people will want to store will be staggering because of HD video, photos, 3D (maybe, I'm not sold on that yet) and whatever other improvements come down the pike. There better be a $#!%-load more storage available on everything you use. Cell towers are already clogged with people downloading, chatting, sending, receiving - doing all kinds of things besides talking. Portable devices are only going to mushroom, plus you'll start seeing more computers or computer-ish things integrated into your house, your car, etc.

    What's happening now is just the tip of the iceberg, and I wonder what we're going to do with all this information because the amount of it just keeps piling up like crazy. In fact, I've always thought the way we're headed (as of now) isn't too smart. Human beings have more information available to them - and are creating more information - than at any point in history, yet the way we store it is so fragile. The Egyptians wrote on rocks that have lasted 5,000 years. We're writing 1s and 0s on flash drives and mechanical drives that can't even last a decade.
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  9. #19


    Not sold on 3D huh? Me either, most due to the fact that I cannot see it. I had a wandering eye as a kid and this left me incapable of seeing any of the 3d movies and tv stuff.

    It annoys me when all these new movies come out in 3D and they want to charge me extra. I should get some sort of medical card and pay the standard rate.
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  10. #20


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    You aren't missing much, pparks1, I assure you. I've been disappointed with so many alleged 3D movies in recent years I don't bother with them any more. Waste of money, as far as I'm concerned. A lot of these films aren't even filmed in true 3D, they're adapted, and as a result, suck.
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