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Metro Lovers -- Please tell me how to organise tiles for THESE

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    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Metro Lovers -- Please tell me how to organise tiles for THESE


    Hi there
    Installing a large complex application like the Adobe Master collection CS5 suite causes about 137 tiles to be generated -- which is extremely annoying and confusing.

    With the old menu system you'd gate say ADOBE====>application1===sub menu 1 ====sub menu2 --sub menu 3
    ===>application2

    etc. each of these submenus could have many other submenus and items as well. You could easily get to 6 levels or more !!.

    Having several HUNDRED of those wretched little tiles and trying to find the application you want --you might not even KNOW it's name-- is a near impossible task.

    You have to be careful when deleting the tiles as well because you don't know if you are deleting the wrong ones' It's actually HOPLESS having this type of application without showing it in some sort of Hierarchy.

    Other large complex applications have similar problems when they are installed on W8 -- you could end up with 2,000 or more tiles.

    Deleting the correct ones, getting to the executable file for the main application and sending it to the desktop as a short cut is a nightmare, takes forever to do and is a LOT of work. These are NOT simple stand alone applications -- and without some sort of hierarchial system Metro just won't fly for a lot of people -- and I seriously don't believe people if they think having 2,000 tiles at the same level spread out horizontally across your monitor where you need to scroll for about 2 km before finding anything helps productivity either when a simple drop down menu works perfectly.

    Enc a screenshot of what I mean --- try installing Adobe master collection, full version of office with visio and project and full version of visual studio - and then tell me Metro is easy to handle with the 2,000 or more tiles you have to clean up. !!!


    People just don't seem to get it -- a lot of applications can't be selected with a single mouse click --these are NOT tablet or mobile phone applications where this stuff works --but even on a phone you'd probably find 2,000 tiles rather too much to handle.

    These tiles to be even remotely useful should have some sort of hierarchy possible rather than show everything at the same level.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    I'd be interested in knowing this answer as well. When i installed Office 2013 preview, I was irritated with the handful of tiles that were cluttering up the screen. It was beginning to remind me of my "all apps" button on my phone or tablet which is just a cluttered mess as far as I am concerned.
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    Hi Jimbo,

    well as I see it, Adobe Master Collection is a third party program to use in Windows. One can hardly blame MS for problems with third party programs.

    Maybe installing Adobe etc without pinning it to the metro is a better solution, right?

    Jeff
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    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffrys View Post
    Hi Jimbo,

    well as I see it, Adobe Master Collection is a third party program to use in Windows. One can hardly blame MS for problems with third party programs.

    Maybe installing Adobe etc without pinning it to the metro is a better solution, right?

    Jeff
    Hi jeff -- the tiles are generated automatically when the applications are installed. You can remove them but WHAT one's -- don't forget every entry in the sub menus is another tile - and how in the world in metro can you find out its place in the hierarchy.

    You definitely HAVE to have a HIERARCHY or TREE structure for these type of applications -- and it's not just because they are 3rd party apps -- what use is a computer if we can't use things like photoshop either. I think almost any half way decent photographer on this planet uses Photoshop as standard. These Pro shooters won't want to be messing around with organising their metro tiles - especially if they have just done a busy shoot and need to process the pics quickly for pre-press or even for live transmission.

    There's a HUGE difference in pressing on a tile on a phone application like finding the time of the next bus from the stop you are at when in London to getting at an item that might be buried at a low level in a hierarchy - but would be logically placed in the structure. The Bus application is essentially a simple ONE CLICK type of app -- maybe even ideal for metro -- but you can't do this for the scenario I've outlined - especially if you have to do other actions first - say in editing a photo.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffrys View Post
    Hi Jimbo,

    well as I see it, Adobe Master Collection is a third party program to use in Windows. One can hardly blame MS for problems with third party programs.
    Well, Microsoft has to understand that third party applications like this will have tons of applications and that is exactly the reason why they had the hierarchical menu in the previous X number releases of Windows.

    And as Jimbo stated, Install the full Office product or the Visual Studio product, which are Microsoft applications and they do exactly the same thing.


    Quote Originally Posted by jeffrys View Post
    Maybe installing Adobe etc without pinning it to the metro is a better solution, right?

    Jeff
    How, does one go about doing that?
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    I agree ... the Start Screen has a major design flaw in this regard. I installed a couple of applications (Office 2003 and SQL Server 2008 R2) then had to spend 5 or 10 minutes cleaning up the Metro so only the tiles I would use would be presented. I'm sorry, but this is nuts. The Start Menu would have them organized by folder. MS needs to fix this big-time. The Metro Start Screen needs a folder system.

    The thing I don't get is how MS missed this. Even iOS has one level of folder capability. Metro has zero. What are they thinking up there in Redmond?
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    You DO know you can place tiles in groups, right? Just move them to a new column, and it creates a new grouping. Makes it much easier to find things.
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    Hello.

    For those who wish to use or must use 8
    I would say there is a way to manage
    thousands of installation links.

    UNPINNING is required
    NOT DELETION or UNINSTALLATION.

    Not related exactly, I have no use for
    metro multimedia apps and it was necessary
    to uninstall them.
    Photo - Video - Messaging - Mail etc... as not usable...

    to the point...
    You can UNPIN hundreds of tiles in a few minutes.
    Right clicking start screen tiles and unpinning is the way to go.

    To offer something to your point about 2000 tiles (or links),
    and hierarchical file and folder structures,
    a Windows 8 UI version is there for anyone who cares to use it in the all apps area.

    It is not necessary to remove unused links from the all apps area
    but you may,
    if you care to,

    UNPIN all unused or less frequently used tiles (or links)
    from the start screen
    if you care to have a clean start screen. 

    Even if you have 10,000 links,
    they are all automatically and alphabetically grouped in the ALL APPS area.
    Zooming in the all apps area cleans your ALL APPS view to allow for easy access to a specific group.


    (for new users...) >
    Simply right click on the start screen, select ALL APPS,
    all groups are organized alphabetically
    and can easily be reduced to top level group blocks by
    pressing control and rolling your scroll wheel

    or using the zoom hotspot with your mouse. Bottom Right Corner


    My view is that the start screen is no place for group blocks
    because there is not enough screen area to organize hundreds of links if you want everything on 1 page.

    If you do not mind going sideways, then there is lots of space for all of your launch pads.
    I like 1 start screen (not start screens...)

    Applications or their associated links can be launched from the ALL APPS area.
    The ALL APPS area is where group blocks are alphabetically created into a structured top level organization.

    The start screen should be just that, a start screen, not a dumping ground
    for hundreds of links.

    It just takes an open point of view to use the ALL APPS area positively.

    If hundreds of links are dumped into the start screen,
    it is a problem of application design, not Windows 8 User Interface.


    Group Blocks...
    Click image for larger version


    Click image for larger version


     
     
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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Even better yet, not only does Semantic Zoom work, to ACTUALLY remove the clutter of tiles in All Apps you will never need to touch like some random program or help file, here is what one does.

    Go to All Apps, scroll over to a folder group like Adobe Photoshop as I know that brings some random things I don't need. Then, right click on said tile link and on the bottom, there's a little icon that says Open file location. Click that. It takes you to the Desktop. That's where you'll be able to delete those tile links. You can navigate around the folders that are exposed in All Apps. Deleting the ALL the links in a folder removes that folder from view in All Apps.


    It's a tad odd that the Desktop is used to manage the Start Screen, but it's like having to use DOS in Windows 95.
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