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Win 8, so long, been a trauma to know you....

  1. #1


    Posts : 142
    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit (7 Ult, Vista & XP in V-Box)

    Win 8, so long, been a trauma to know you....


    Final straw...

    Tried to d/l the release preview, and copped a faulty iso.

    Another member of this forum took pity on my poxy 8GB/month
    connection, and mailed me a copy.

    Just installed it....nah, f#ck that!

    Set up OK, then logged onto here to PM the bloke who sent me the
    disk to thank him....but nooooo.

    Locked up. So rebooted & tried again. Nyet.

    AND again. And again, nyet.

    THEN wouldn't pick my Win 7 sysimage when I went to restore...?

    Win 7 64-bit is fresh-installing as I type.

    The super-lappy is only six months old, and is only half a step back
    from cutting-edge, lappy-wise, but it HATES Windows 8. (See my
    system specs. Or not. IDGAF).

    I'm posting on my old Penryn 2Ghz dual-core running Win 8 CP 32-bit.
    on 3gb and Intel 4500MHD graphics. As purchased, it was a Vista machine.

    They LOVE each other, for some reason, and the combo has never been an issue.
    So, I'll be hacking the 32-bit CP to keep it alive as long as possible.

    As for the RP and the RTM....no, sorry, NEVER going onto the super-lappy.

    Or this. Not in my lifetime, AAR.
    Last edited by Kat; 10 Aug 2012 at 07:01.

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  2. #2


    Posts : 142
    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit (7 Ult, Vista & XP in V-Box)


    Another member (SIW2?) suggested that I give Linux Mint a try.

    Downloading to check it out now.
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  3. #3


    Posts : 288
    Windows 7 Ultimate, Windows Developer Preview, Linux Mint 9


    Quote Originally Posted by Kat View Post
    Another member (SIW2?) suggested that I give Linux Mint a try.

    Downloading to check it out now.
    I would second that suggestion as I've used Linux Mint. LM 13 looks fresh. You may need a DVD for it though cause it has a larger ISO size that won't fit on a CD.

    Ooooh wait! Since I don't have much to do, maybe I should boot my LM 13 DVD just to take it for a spin once more.
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  4. #4


    Portsmouth Hants
    Posts : 772
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Isn't the expression:

    "So long and thanks for all the fish"?

    apologies to Douglas Adams (a lover of the Apple Macintosh)
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  5. #5


    Quote Originally Posted by Kat View Post
    I'm posting on my old Penryn 2Ghz dual-core running Win 8 CP 32-bit.
    on 3gb and Intel 4500MHD graphics. As purchased, it was a Vista machine.

    They LOVE each other, for some reason, and the combo has never been an issue.
    So, I'll be hacking the 32-bit CP to keep it alive as long as possible.
    So, let me get this straight
    1). You absolutely hate Windows 8
    2). You are going to put time and effort into hacking Windows 8 to keep a pre-release version running as long as possible.

    I'm not sure I understand.
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  6. #6


    Posts : 142
    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit (7 Ult, Vista & XP in V-Box)


    No, I didn't say I absolutely hated Win 8. I said that this laptop did.

    I've had the CP running on the older machine since its release, and
    haven't had a problem with it, so certainly don't hate it, once I
    installed Classic Shell.

    BUT....the RP does not like THIS machine, and proved so unreliable
    as to be unusable, although the CP ran fine on it.

    So, I'll be keeping the CP on the older machine, keeping Win 7 on
    this one, and will probably try the RP on the desktop machine and
    see how that goes.

    Yes, I DO dislike the metro interface, but Classic Shell fixes that, so
    it isn't really an issue.
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  7. #7


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    I just have to ask, if Classic Shell makes using 8 better for you, why even bother with Windows 8 in the first place?

    Strange as the RP doesn't work better and is being a load of issues. Every preview I've installed and used is better than the last, but I'm iffy about the leaked RTM builds as they don't seem as fast as the RP. Are you experiencing driver issues by any chance?
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  8. #8


    Hafnarfjörður IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I just have to ask, if Classic Shell makes using 8 better for you, why even bother with Windows 8 in the first place?

    Strange as the RP doesn't work better and is being a load of issues. Every preview I've installed and used is better than the last, but I'm iffy about the leaked RTM builds as they don't seem as fast as the RP. Are you experiencing driver issues by any chance?
    Hi there
    Because there are some other features in W8 that people like having

    1) Built in Mountable virtual ISO - no 3rd party app required

    2) Windows to Go feature - portable W8 on a USB / stick. - Although technically it will only work on Enterprise the method will probably work on other W8 versions if you use the WIM image and IMAGEX with the boot command from the W8 Enterprise download leaked version and the WIM version from the W8 system you want to run.

    3) better built in security -- this is STREETS and STRRETS ahead of W7 -- one of the good Hacker exploits that used to make Windows leak like a sieve was the "Memory heap" trick where you could cause a buffer overflow in the kernel memory area and then your nice little "nasty code" was in. This has been completely fixed now so it's much harder (not impossible of course) to break windows any more.

    4) automatic file history for keeping track of changes to your data

    5) HYPER-V for virtual machines.

    6) far better Hardware detection than W7 so no need for hunting around for obscure drivers.

    However if these aren't of any concern then keep with W7 for the moment.

    The whole Metro stuff just kills W8 for me -- I don't use a computer like a tablet or mobile phone and have no intention of smearing greasy palms over a nice 60 inch monitor either -- and those metro thingy's look absolutely HORRIBLE at that type of screen resolution anyway.

    For me please send the Kiddies Menu back to the Kindergarten where it belongs --the whole look of the stuff reminds me of some horrible 20 year old or so version of how AOL used to present its user interface -- all those years ago and it's BACK. Ugh!!!!

    I enclose the screenshot again (AOL 1996 vs Metro 2012) - It's already been posted before on this site but just in case you haven't seen it here it is again.



    Cheers
    jimbo
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  9. #9


    Australia
    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by fafhrd View Post
    Isn't the expression:

    "So long and thanks for all the fish"?

    apologies to Douglas Adams (a lover of the Apple Macintosh)
    I think Kat's referring to the Woody Guthrie song: "So long, it's been good to know ya!" Only it ain't been "good"!

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot
    Strange as the RP doesn't work better and is being a load of issues. Every preview I've installed and used is better than the last
    Not my experience. Win8 CP had fewer issues than RP. Both caused boot problems. This was fixed in CP by loading on separate HD while Win7 HD was unplugged so no shared boot menu. Did same in RP but kept getting message: 'Check disk needs to check disk performance...." After the last Check Disk ran on RP, Win8 would no longer boot. And it couldn't be repaired by installation disk repair console. At the same time, Win7 became buggy, eventually leading to a re-install from back up image.

    Haven't got a spare machine at moment to run it on, but that seems to be only way it will happen ... I hope!
    Last edited by Mustang; 11 Aug 2012 at 07:28.
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  10. #10


    Posts : 30
    Win 8 release canadate


    [QUOTE=jimbo45;108401

    The whole Metro stuff just kills W8 for me -- I don't use a computer like a tablet or mobile phone and have no intention of smearing greasy palms over a nice 60 inch monitor either -- and those metro thingy's look absolutely HORRIBLE at that type of screen resolution anyway.

    [/QUOTE]
    I rarely use Metro but think it will be a big hit with a ton of people, maybe two tons.
    Anybody who just wants to work with a few apps will be satisfied and no longer go through the Start menu to get at something that is three levels deep.
    Yes there are a lot of ways to make it easier but this is how they learned it and this is how they will continue to do it.

    Ever tried to walk somebody through such a problem.
    Then do it again when one of the "experts" fixed it his or her best way?
    Then do it again when one of the "experts" fixed it his or her best way?

    Fun, now try it with an 80 plus year old who's grandkids want to help her and make it easy.
    And one of my 8 plus people can do things not humanly possible. Ever see several hundred short cuts to the same program on a screen?

    I now know she has no feelings in her fingers so has to watch which mouse button she pushes but she can do it.



    If there is ever an upgrade that does not start at least 100,000 of these I'm gong back to version X-1 the thrill will be gone.

    I'm 72 and can remember the complaints about DOS and how much better CP/M was.
    Copy To, from was somehow better than copy From, to.

    And it only needed about 16k
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