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Win 8, so long, been a trauma to know you....

  1. #11


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi my main problems with metro are

    1) just install something like the ADOBE Master collection CSS5.5 Suite. -- Metro tiles are created for about 97 items --even though you actully only are interested in about 7 applications plus their submenus. You have to scroll forever to find something and even then there's no indication on what's the actual start menu and its application.

    Posted a screenshot of how a classic menu screen would work -- as you can see implementing this in metro down to say 5 or 6 levels makes the whole thing impossible --these aren't single task type applications !!!!. All of these have numerous sub menus, sub sub menus and so on.

    2) you use multiple monitors and want to have several simultaneous windows open on each monitor -- not possible with standard metro apps. You are forced to work in full screen mode --fine on a small mobile phone or tablet but that's totally not how I work on a computer and for my type of work it would be totally impossible anyway.

    I can go on but I think 'nuf said.

    Have a look at the screenshot --this is nothing about age or whatever but the sheer difficulty of being able to find and use complex applications when the whole metro idea was basically for single task small individual stand alone applications that don't require sub menus etc etc.

    I know lots of 70 year olds who are much more proficient with computers, mobile phones etc than some people in their mid 20's so this isn't about "teaching Old Dogs new tricks".

    Anyway have a look at the screenshot and you can visualize what a nightmare having all this stuff on metro would be. (Apart from the fact Metro looks so Old fashioned anyway as the shot I previously posted of AOL circa 1996 shows).

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  2. #12


    Posts : 30
    Win 8 release canadate


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi my main problems with metro are

    1) just install something like the ADOBE Master collection CSS5.5 Suite. -- Metro tiles are created for about 97 items --even though you actully only are interested in about 7 applications plus their submenus. You have to scroll forever to find something and even then there's no indication on what's the actual start menu and its application.

    It is a pain but I suspect that is a problem between current installers and the Metro interface. I will be willing to bet an entire nickel on it.
    Installing Office 10 does this but I would be surprised if the latest "Metro" version will.



    2) you use multiple monitors and want to have several simultaneous windows open on each monitor -- not possible with standard metro apps. You are forced to work in full screen mode --fine on a small mobile phone or tablet but that's totally not how I work on a computer and for my type of work it would be totally impossible anyway.
    Agreed but mossy people (that should have been most people but mossy fits) don't work with anything but Word processing, email, and the Internet. A smaller portion may move into the "exotics" such as PowerPoint and Excel but they are few. At least in all the support work I have done over the years. When I started it was Word Star and maybe VisiCalc.

    I know lots of 70 year olds who are much more proficient with computers, mobile phones etc than some people in their mid 20's so this isn't about "teaching Old Dogs new tricks".
    I'm one of them and took my first computer class in 1962, but older people tend to have more problems with change, especially if they stopped learning in their 20's


    Anyway have a look at the screenshot and you can visualize what a nightmare having all this stuff on metro would be. (Apart from the fact Metro looks so Old fashioned anyway as the shot I previously posted of AOL circa 1996 shows).
    Just cause it's old does not mean it is bad

    Clearing the start screen of all but the apps you want is easy and I've come to like the "all apps" view even though I tried to find out how to nest some of them when I first started.

    I like it but admittedly don't use it much. But I am using it a bit more now that you can open it on either of dual monitors.

    Time will tell if I loose the nickel.
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  3. #13


    Australia
    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by MikeFromHC View Post
    Time will tell if I loose the nickel.
    Hate to say it, but I'll give you 1000:1 odds you'll lose your nickel!

    It's about preferences. And if you take a cross section of other forums, the preference ain't Win8. At least not in it's last known configuration. Heck, it's had more changes than a Chameleon! The only thing consistent is the multi-color camouflage!
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  4. #14


    Posts : 30
    Win 8 release canadate


    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MikeFromHC View Post
    Time will tell if I loose the nickel.
    Hate to say it, but I'll give you 1000:1 odds you'll lose your nickel!

    It's about preferences. And if you take a cross section of other forums, the preference ain't Win8. At least not in it's last known configuration. Heck, it's had more changes than a Chameleon! The only thing consistent is the multi-color camouflage!
    Done, and I'll promise not to collect.

    Computer forums and the magazines that preceded them have never represented the typical user any more than a sports car magazine has represented the average driver.
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  5. #15


    Australia
    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by MikeFromHC View Post
    Done, and I'll promise not to collect.

    Computer forums and the magazines that preceded them have never represented the typical user any more than a sports car magazine has represented the average driver.
    Re blogs, forums and magazines, it all depends who's writing the articles ... user reviews, fanboys/haters or advertising agencies for the company selling the product. Either which way, I'm convinced from what I've read. So we'll just have to agree to disagree.

    But time will tell. And I promise I won't say I told you so! lol! Heck, I'll even let you off paying ... being wrong will be enough humiliation for you! (Said in jest!)
    Last edited by Mustang; 14 Aug 2012 at 00:36.
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  6. #16


    Posts : 142
    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit (7 Ult, Vista & XP in V-Box)


    OK, poison curls...

    Finally
    got the RP up and 'sorta' working.

    Trying the 32-bit version on the AS5735, if it likes it, it will stay.

    Although I'll probably return this one to Win 7.

    BTW, Mustang, it appears that the GFX was the problem.

    It seems to run OK on the Intel GFX, but spits the dummy big-time
    if I try to use the GeForce GT555M.

    Oh well, I daresay that'll be sorted eventually.
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  7. #17


    It's not preference, it rationality. I see no rationale in moving from resizable/cascadable/minimizable windows to an always-full screen one app at a time thing. 6 months I shake my head about it.
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  8. #18


    Posts : 142
    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit (7 Ult, Vista & XP in V-Box)


    OK, it's been up for an hour or so, much better than the few minutes before lockup that I was getting before.

    It's not running like a slug any more, either. Although its like an ant in treacle in VirtualBox.

    My system specs aren't an issue....check 'em!

    Classic Shell 3.51 is installed (took 2 goes to get it to do so) and the old and much-maligned
    Quick-Launch is enabled (looking at YOU, Craybob), and apart from the fact that it looks as
    bland and appealing as a prostitute in a dressing-gown and hair-rollers, I quite like it.

    Apparently the RTM (which I'm slowly downloading now) is even blander. YUK!

    C'mon, Ivo and others, code up an app that'll put Aero back. I'll love you forever.

    As I've said before, Win 8 is a BLOODY good OS.

    UNDERNEATH!!!!! But, for ME, the interface kills it.

    Take the kiddie-toy interface away, and replace the functionality that
    they've removed and I'd venture to say it'd be the best OS ever.

    OH, and ffs, STOP this push towards the 'cloud'. I will NOT go there.
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  9. #19


    Posts : 142
    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit (7 Ult, Vista & XP in V-Box)


    One thing hasn't changed....NONE of my games which use openGL will run.

    At all.

    But they ALL run just fine on 7.....

    And no, it's not a driver issue. Well, it probably is, but updating drivers doesn't help.
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  10. #20


    Redmond
    Posts : 651
    Windows 8.1 x64


    That's because nVidia's Win8 drivers are still beta (assuming you're running 302.x or 304.x). I have an HP 8540w with an nVidia Quadro in it running RTM, and to say the drivers are bad would be an understatement. I've gone back to a 27<something> driver version, and so far so good. A slight performance drop from the 304.x driver set, but not crashing regularly, multimon working, etc. is a decent trade off in my opinion. Win8 won't be GA until October, so there's still lots of time for them to bake. It is nVidia, so I won't bet a nickel they'll have good drivers at GA in October, but I can hope.
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